Please see the attached Agenda for the May 16, 2017 meeting of the A17 Electrical Committee in Phoenix, AZ.

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1 Two Park Avenue New York, NY U.S.A. tel fax April 20, 2017 To: Members of the A17 Electrical Committee From: Grace Bolan; ASME Staff for the A17 Electrical Committee Re: Agenda for the May 16, 2017 Meeting Dear Committee Members: Please see the attached Agenda for the May 16, 2017 meeting of the A17 Electrical Committee in Phoenix, AZ. Based upon the minutes of the January 10, 2017 meeting, the assignments for this meeting are listed below: Assignment (and responsible individual) Task Group (Robibero (Chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, Carlson, Henderson, Castillo, Pekka, Mihai, Mason, Blain, Burch and Woods) is asked to report. Task Group (Robibero (Chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, Carlson, Henderson, Castillo, Pekka, Mihai, Mason, Blain, Burch and Woods) is asked to report. Task Group (Prince (Chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, and Henderson) is asked to report. Task Group (Caldwell (chair), Castillo, Ojapalo, Hoppie, Henderson, Blackaby, Prince, Mihai, Burch, Mason and Stockstill) is asked to report. Mr. Blackaby is asked to report 01/2017 Minutes Location and Subject 8.1: Record , Diagnostic Tools Proposal 8.2: Record , A17.1 requirement Software Changes 8.3: Record , Swing Door Monitors 8.4: Record , Requirement : Record , Requirement (h) Sincerely, Grace Bolan Safety S&C Engineer American Society of Mechanical Engineers Two Park Avenue, New York, NY T: BolanG@asme.org

2 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 AGENDA A17 ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE Embassy Suites Phoenix Biltmore 2630 E. Camelback Rd Phoenix, AZ May 16, :30 AM 5:00 PM This Agenda is for Committee use only and is subject to adoption. It is not to be duplicated or quoted for other than committee business. 1.0 CALL TO ORDER/ INTRODUCTIONS 2.0 RECORD OF ATTENDANCE 3.0 ADOPTION OF AGENDA 4.0 APPROVAL OF JANUARY 10, 2017 MINUTES 5.0 ANNOUNCEMENTS 6.0 PERSONNEL 6.1 Committee Roster - See Attachments 1a The 3 members from Kone are asked to report on their representation. 6.2 Meeting Attendance Records - See Attachment 1b 6.3 Appointments David Morris, contributing member Pending approval of the A17 Standards Committee, John Doug Henderson will be Vice Chair for the term of July 1, 2017-June 30, 2020 via ballot Reappointments Terms Ending on June 30, 2017: Jim Caldwell, current VC for member Joseph L Della Porta, member John Kleine, member Sidney H. Benjamin, contributing member Brian J. Mierzejewski, alternate to John Kleine 6.5 Terminations/Resignations None. 2

3 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, Membership Requests Eldon Nickens has requested to join the committee. There are already two members representing IUEC. Those members are asked to report if they wish to alter their currents membership to allow Mr. Nickens to be considered for membership. Don Holloway has requested to join the committee. His application will be considered at the May 17, 2017 A17 Standards meeting. 7.0 REQUESTS FOR INTERPRETATIONS The Committee is advised of Codes and Standards Policy, CSP-33(e) and (c)(4) regarding requests for interpretations, which must be met by all Committees: CSP-33(e) reads as follows: Intent Interpretations: Technical inquiries that cannot be answered on the basis of existing wording of the pertinent standard may be answerable by an intent interpretation. Intent interpretations are permitted only to clarify conflicting or ambiguous wording or to resolve incorrect wording. An intent interpretation shall be submitted to the consensus committee for approval along with the revision(s) to the standard that support the intent interpretation. Both the intent interpretation and the revision(s) to the standard must be approved for the interpretation to be issued. c(4) of CSP-33 reads as follows: Interpretations shall not include explanations describing why the standard is written the way it is, except they may include the rationale that was approved through the consensus process as part of the standard action. All A17 revisions are required to be accompanied by a rationale statement. That rationale is balloted along with the revision and is eventually submitted for public review along with the revision. Anyone can vote negative on the rationale even if they agree with the wording of the revision. Therefore, A17 rationale is approved thru the consensus process in the same manner as a standards action and can be included in interpretations. Other rationale that is not handled this way cannot be included in interpretations. C&S Connect V4.0 was launched on December 19, One of the highlights of this release is the new online Interpretation forms. The direct link is: Please see Attachment 2 for a general guideline to assist in determining the appropriate action upon receipt of a request for interpretation. 7.1 Inquiry Attachment 3 Committee: A17 Electrical 3

4 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Subject: Requirement Edition: A /CSA B44-10 through A /CSA B44-13 Question(s): Does the immunity to single failure required in clause (a), ( "a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device" ) apply only to magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices used for position sensing? If the answer is "yes" I would propose the following revision to : Where magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices are used for position sensing, a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device shall not (a) render inoperative the position sensing devices of the emergency terminal speedlimiting device inoperative (b) permit the car to restart after a normal stop To clarify the requirement in (a) and its applicability to devices used for position sensing only Question 1: Do the requirements relating to single failure in clause (a), ( a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device ) apply only to magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices used for position sensing? Proposed Response: Yes. Question 2: Does (a) prohibit the elevator from stopping when the first failure occurs (rather than to continue to run and proceed to a normal stop)? Proposed Response: No. Question 3: Does (b) require detection of the failure prior to each start from a non-terminal landing and to prevent restarting? Proposed Response: No. Question 4: Does (b) require detection of the failure and to prevent the car from restarting after a normal stop at a terminal landing? Proposed Response: Yes. Question 5: Does (b) apply in all modes of operation? 4

5 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Proposed Response: No. The requirements of (b) apply in modes of operation where the normal terminal stopping device is required to function (see also and ). Question 6: Does (b) apply only when the elevator is on automatic operation? Proposed Response: No. See response to question 5. Question 7: Does (b) apply when the elevator is on any mode of operation and its normal speed in that mode of operation exceeds the buffer rated speed? Proposed Response: No. See response to question 5. May 2014: Mr. Blackaby presented this item to discussion with the committee. Mr. Caldwell suggested to have a task group set up for this item. The Task group is Caldwell (Chair), Hoppie, Castillo, Robibero, Prince, Blackaby and Mason. Mr. Mihai reported that he will update the scope of this inquiry. Furthermore, a full report will be given at the next A17 Electrical Committee meeting. September 2014: Prior to the meeting, the Task Group met and discussed this item. During their meeting, they drafted proposal responses to the inquirers questions. Please note that the inquirer has appended 6 additional questions to his original inquiry, thus there is now 7 questions being asked. Please see Attachment 3b for the Minutes from the Task Group meeting and their proposed responses. Mr. Blackaby reported that a TN should be open in parallel to this intent inquiry. A motion was made to open up a TN for this item. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please note that an intent interpretation cannot be issued until the revision item is ASME approved (TN ). Please note that A17 Standards Committee approval does not mean that it is ASME approved. Please see item 8.14 for updates on TN January 2015: Please see Attachment 3b (May 2015 Minutes) for the minutes from the Task Group meeting their proposed responses. Please note that this attachment is the same as Attachment 3b from the September, 2014 Minutes. May January 2017: Please see item 8.4 for updates on Record May 2017 Discussion: The task group has submitted the proposed responses as shown above. 5

6 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, Inquiry Attachment 5 (May 2016 Minutes) - Attachment 4 Committee: A17 Mechanical Design/ A17 Electrical Subject: Requirement Edition: A through A /B44-13 Question(s): When the car is making a run to the bottom floor while it is loaded with 125% of the rated load, are the requirements met if the car stops before reaching the terminal landing (due to the drive faulting out), provided that the car can recover on its own and safely lower to the bottom landing, stop within the unlocking zone and open its doors? Proposed Response: Yes. October 2015: The Mechanical Design proposed the following: MDC Proposed Reply: Yes, provided the drive fault does not constitute an emergency stop. See also interpretation Electrical Proposed Reply: No, the NTS test was not demonstrated. Please see Attachment 11b for the A17 MDC proposed response along with some historical interpretations. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and send it to the A17 Mechanical Design and Inspections Committee. The motion was seconded and approved (3 Disapproved (Prince, Zogbi)). January 2016: Please see Attachment 6b for the A17 MDC proposed response along with some historical interpretations. The A17 MDC next meeting is scheduled for January 12, May 2016: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Mohammad request a joint Task Group be formed between the A17 MDC, Inspections and Electrical Committees to review and develop a response to Inquiry Please see Attachment 5 for the request and for the memo. During the meeting, Mr. Blackaby went over the history of this item. Furthermore, is the committee is in agreement with this joint task group for this item. Based on multiple feedback, the committee feels that this inquiry belongs to the A17 Electrical Committee and they should be the lead. Mr. Blackaby suggest that the Mr. Ramcharran Ms. Burdeshaw indicated that this inquiry belongs to the A17 Electrical Committee with the following rationale: 6

7 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 The NTSD Test ( ) is under control of the A17 Electrical Committee., which is what is being referenced under the 2.16 and what the question is being asked on. As a result, the A17 Electrical Committee request to take the lead on this inquiry and a joint Task Group will be form between the A17 Mechanical Design and Inspections Committee. The task group is: Carlson (Chair), Busse, Blackaby, Henderson, and Pekka. September 2016: The A17 Mechanical WC agreed that the A17 Electrical WC will be listed as primary and A17 Mechanical WC as secondary. The A17 Standards Committee Secretary confirmed that since both committees are in agreement, they may proceed as they agreed. January 2017 Discussion: See Attachment 4 for correspondence from A17 Inspections WC Secretary including proposed responses from the A17 Inspections committee. The committee is asked to discuss their input. During the meeting, the committee discussed the history of the inquiry. Discussion arose regarding faults, appropriate drive adjustments (drive is too small), and discussed that clarification might be necessary. During the background, it shows that this was during a test. It was discussed that does not require normal performance and that it might need to lower performance during the test. It was discussed that the original authors recognized that equipment may trip out and gave a methodology to reduce it by reducing performance. Also, when a car is in overload condition. Secretary will reach out to inquirer for further clarification of the question regarding if it is performing the NTSD test or meeting another requirement. May 2017 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, the inquirer withdrew the inquiry as shown in Attachment Inquiry Attachment 5 Committee: A17 Electrical/A17 Hoistway Subject: Requirement Edition: A Question(s): Can the elevator continue in automatic operation when a bypass (jumper) is placed on a single standalone car door electric contact of a two car door system? 7

8 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Can the elevator continue in automatic operation when a bypass (jumper) is placed on or a single standalone landing door interlock contact of a two landing door system where the door system is mechanically coupled in the landing zone and the landing doors are not related to each other? Proposed Response: May 2016: This Inquiry is on hold pending the resolution of Inquiry September 2016: At the May, 2016 A17 Standards Committee meeting, Inquiry was voted on and approved. During the meeting, the committee reviewed Inquiry and prepared a proposed response to Inquiry Dear Mr. Irmscher, At the September 28, 2016 A17 Electrical Committee meeting, the committee reviewed your inquiry and feels that Inquiry answers your questions. In the event that this inquiry does not answer your question, please review and clarify your question within 30 days of this letter. See attachment for Inquiry January 2017: The response was sent to the inquirer. An automatic response was received indicating that Mr. Irmscher he no longer worked for BC Safety Authority. A letter was sent to the contact provided by the automatic response (Mr. Nav Chahal, Senior Safety Officer) asking for updated contact information for Mr. Irmscher or a new contact from BC Safety Authority for the inquiry. As a result, Mr. Naval requested for the contact to be updated to be him. The response originally sent to Mr. Irmscher was sent to Mr. Naval as shown in Attachment 5b. May 2017 Discussion: Following no response within 30 days of reaching out to Mr. Naval this item is considered withdrawn. 7.4 Inquiry Attachment 6 Committee: A17 Electrical (Primary), A17 Mechanical (Secondary) Subject: Requirement Edition: A Question(s): Does require the same device that provides the stopping action to also detect the overspeed condition? Proposed Response: No, see (b) and

9 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 September 2016: A motion was made, seconded and unanimously approved to approve the proposed response above. This item will be submitted for approval from the A17.1 Standards Committee at their January, 2017 Meeting. January 2017 Discussion: The Mechanical Design Committee reviewed the inquiry at their September 2016 meeting. They provided the input found in Attachment 9. The committee is asked to review the Mechanical Design Committee s input and send their conclusions to the Mechanical Design Committee for concurrence. From the January 2017 A17 Mechanical Design Minutes: The MDC agrees with the Electrical Committee s response that it is not required to use one device. The MDC reaffirms that there is confusing language in this section of the code. See Attachment 5b for the MDC s suggestions. The MDC no longer believed it is appropriate to do a Code Case. It was moved, seconded, and approved to send the MDC s concurrence with their response to the Electrical Committee. It was moved, seconded, and approved to send the MDC s recommendation on the code language to the Electrical Committee. (Opposed Earl Baker) The Electrical committee reviewed Mechanical Design s suggestions and determined more time was needed to review their input. May 2017 Discussion: The committee is asked to discuss. 7.5 Inquiry Attachment 7 Committee: A17 Electrical Subject: CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 Edition: CSA B44.1/ASME A Question(s): Does CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 have a condition where manufacturer is or is not required to comply with the 2014 Edition if no changes are made to a product certified to a previous edition of CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 the product? Proposed Answer: No. September 2016: During the meeting, the committee reviewed the proposed question as revised and the proposed response as drafted by the A17.5 Committee. Discussion arose with the question and the response. 9

10 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 A motion was made to endorse the proposed question and answer as drafted by the A17.5 Committee. The motion was seconded and approved (1 opposed, BarnhartP). January 2017: The proposed responses have been sent to the A17 Standards Committee for final approval at their January 2017 meeting. It was reported during the A17 Electrical meeting (Staff Update: and again reported at the A17 Standards January 11, 2017 meeting) that this item was withdrawn by the inquirer. Discussion arose from the inquiry including confusion that can arise with the relationship with certification and A17 editions, as they are not in sync. Discussion also arose including the following: What year is followed since they are in different cycles Would it be appropriate to go back to year specific references? Would it be appropriate to use latest edition or specific year? Would it be appropriate to clarify that an existing design is grandfathered in unless modifications were made? As a result of these discussions, a motion was made, seconded and approved unanimously to ask for a recommendation from the A17.5 that may alleviate the confusion that this inquiry stemmed from such as a change in labeling requirements for editions. May 2017 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Hite provided the response from the B44.1/A17.5 Committee as shown in Attachment Inquiry Attachment 8 Committee: A17 Electrical Subject: Requirement Edition: A / CSA B44-13 Question(s): Does Requirement require that devices rated for connection only to Class 2 supply circuits (as defined in the applicable electrical code) be listed / certified and labeled / marked as defined in Section 1.3? Proposed Response: None. May 2017 Discussion: The committee is asked to discuss the inquiry. 8.0 TECHNICAL REVISIONS 10

11 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Task Group Leaders and members are reminded that to make sure that their Records that are being developed is based on 2016 edition language and revised language for 2019 if approved. Approved for A Record # Requirement # A , Requirement A , Requirement Final Date of Consensus April 28, 2016 August 11, 2016 See Attachment 9 which includes all the approved language for A sorted by requirement number. 8.1 Record Diagnostic Tools Proposal Attachment 5 (September 2013 Minutes) Attachment 6a-6b (January 2014 Minutes) Attachment 3a-3b (May 2014 Minutes) Attachment 5 (September 2014 Minutes) Attachment 8 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 10 (May 2016 Minutes) Task Group: Henderson (Chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, Carlson, Robibero, Castillo, Pekka, Mihai, Mason, Blain, Burch and Woods. For May 2009 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Following a task group meeting, a proposal was put together for this item, and it currently out for a review and comment ballot the A17 Electrical Committee. This ballot is scheduled to be closed on August 29, Please note that some wording that is struck out or underlined is not necessarily part of the current code. It is left on this proposal for A17 Electrical Committee Consideration only. Prior to the meeting, Review and Comment Ballot was closed. As a result, it received two comments. The task group is asked to address the ballot results. Mr. Robibero reported that the TG meeting on September 9, 2013 and discussed the ballot results. He further reported that the TG has come up with a revised proposal and rationale for this item. During the meeting, further revisions were made to the proposal and rationale. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses, and revised proposal and send it out for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee, A17 Inspectors Manual, and A17 Maintenance and Repair committee. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. See Attachment 5 for the ballot results, proposed responses and revised proposal. January 2014: This item was sent for Review and Comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee, A17 Inspections Committee and the A17 Maintenance Committee via ballot 11

12 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, This ballot was closed on was closed October 31, As a result, it received 19 comments. The task group is asked to address the ballot results. Please see Attachment 6a for the ballot results. Mr. Blain presented a straw man proposal to the A17 Electrical Committee. Heavy discussion occurred with the proposal language and it was agreed to take this item back to the TG for further discussion. See Attachment 6b for the straw man proposal. May 2014: Please see Attachment 3b for the straw man proposal and Attachment 3a for the Ballot results. Please note these Attachments are the same Attachment 6a from the January 2014 Minutes. During the meeting, Mr. Robibero presented proposed responses and a revised proposal. He also gave the committee an overview of this item. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and the revised proposal and send it for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical, Maintenance and Inspections Committees. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. See Attachment 3a. September 2014: This item was sent for Review and Comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee, A17 Inspections Committee and the A17 Maintenance Committee via ballot This ballot was closed on June 27, As a result, it received 13 comments. The task group is asked to address the ballot results. Please see Attachment 5 for the ballot results. Mr. Robibero reported that they are making good progress on this item. A task group meeting will be set up towards the end of 2014 to go over this item and an attempt will be made to get this item approved and included in the 2016 edition of A17.1/CSA B44 Code. January October 2015: Mr. Robibero reported that this item will be tabled until TN is approved. January 2016: Mr. Robibero reported that the task group will meet and start to work on this item as Record is very close to being completed and approved. In moving forward, all these software related topics are related and will be built on each other throughout the code. Once the work on the Record is completed, the work on this item will begin. Task Group: Robibero (chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, Carlson, Henderson, Castillo, Pekka, Mihai, Mason, Blain, Burch and Woods. May 2016: At the January, 2016 Meeting, Mr. Robibero reported that this item will be tabled until Record is approved by the A17 Standards Committee. Mr. Robibero reported that Record is very close to being completed and approved by the A17 Standards Committee. Furthermore, a meeting will set up prior to our September, 2016 meeting to kick-off this item. 12

13 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 September 2016: Mr. Robibero reported that the TG met in August, 2016 and their next meeting is scheduled for November, 2016 in Dallas, TX. At their meeting, they reviewed where they currently stand with this item. January 2017: Mr. Henderson reported that the task group met on January 9, 2017 in Clearwater and relaunched discussion on this record and will be looking into a hazard assessment as a tool to work on this record. The next meeting will be at OSC in Windsor, CT on March 27-29, It was noted that review and comment ballot has outstanding comments on this record that need to be resolved. May 2017 Discussion: The task group is asked to report. 8.2 Record A17.1 requirement Software Changes Attachment 6 (September 2014 Minutes) Attachment 4 (January 2015 Minutes) Attachment 6 (May 2015 Minutes) Attachment 14 (October 2015 Minutes) Attachment 9 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 11 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 12 (September 2016 Minutes) For September 2009 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Robibero reported the TG will meet in November, 2013 to discuss the diagnostic tools proposal. January 2014: Mr. Robibero reported that the task group met and agreed that the structure is okay as a starting point. Furthermore, the task group membership will be reaffirmed. The task group is Robibero (Chair), Blackaby, Henderson, Mihai, Kleine, Ojapalo, Carlson, Busse, Duckworth and Castillo. This task group will work only on Software Changes. A tentative TG meeting will be held on the week of April 1, 2 and half of a day on the 3 of 2014 in Toronto, Canada at TSSA Headquarters. May 2014: Mr. Robibero reported that they have a meeting later this month and will have a draft completed for software changes. This draft will be send to the A17 Electrical Committee in June, 2014 for their review and comment. Furthermore, Mr. Robibero reported that he would ideally like to have this item voted on and approved for the 2016 edition of the A17.1 Code Book. September 2014: This item was sent for Review and Comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee, A17 Electrical, A17 Existing Installations, A17 Inspections and A17 Maintenance Repair via ballot This ballot was closed on June 27, As a result, it received 16 comments. The task group is asked to address the ballot results. Mr. Robibero reported that they have made progress on this item and have identified a progress on having converging control on software in the field. During the meeting, Mr. Robibero presented a revised proposal and proposed responses. 13

14 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 A motion was made to approve the proposed response and the revised proposal and send the proposal for a first consideration ballot with review and comment to A17 Existing Installations, A17 Inspections and A17 Maintenance Repair. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please see Attachment 6 for the ballot results, proposed responses and revised proposal. January 2015: This item was sent for a first consideration ballot with review and comment to A17 Existing Installations, A17 Inspections and A17 Maintenance Repair and was closed on November 19, 2014 with 8 disapproved votes. The task group is asked to address the ballot results. Please see Attachment 4 for the ballot results. Mr. Robibero reported that the task group did not get a chance to review and address the ballot results. He further reported that a task group meeting will be held during the week of March 24-26, 2015 in Connecticut to review the ballot results. Following this meeting, a ballot will be sent to the A17 Standards Committee for approval in hopes of having this revision be included in the 2016 edition of the A17.1/B44 code. May 2015: Prior to the meeting, the task group met and went over the ballot results from ballot Please see Attachment 6 for the ballot results and the revise proposal. The task request that this proposal be sent for a first consideration ballot to the A17 Standards Committee with review and comment to the A17 Inspections Committee, Hoistway Committee, Electrical Committee and A17 Maintenance, Repair and Replacement Committee. During the meeting, Mr. Carlson presented ballot results and a revised proposal to the committee. Furthermore, Mr. Carlson reported that the task group met on May 11, 2015 and revise the proposal further based on the ballot comments from Ballot A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and the revised proposal and send it for a first consideration ballot to the A17 Standards Committee with review and comment to the A17 Inspections Committee, Hoistway Committee, Electrical Committee and A17 Maintenance, Repair and Replacement Committee. The motion was seconded and approved (1 opposed (BusseJ)). October 2015: Prior to the meeting, this item was sent for a first consideration ballot to the A17 Standards Committee. As result, this item received 8 disapproved votes. Please see Attachment 14 for the ballot results and the revise proposal. Task Group responded to comments and revised proposal. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and revised proposal and send it to the A17 Standards Committee for a first consideration ballot. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. January 2016: Prior to the meeting, this item was sent for a first consideration ballot to the A17 Standards Committee. As result, this item received 7 disapproved votes. During the meeting, Mr. Robibero presented proposed responses along with a revised proposal. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and the revised proposal 14

15 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 and send it for a recirculation ballot to the A17 Standards Committee. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please see Attachment 9 for the ballot results and the revise proposal. May 2016: This item is currently out for a recirculation ballot. The ballot will close on April 27, Prior to the meeting, Ballot # RC1 was closed and as a result, two comments was received. Mr. Robibero is asked to report. During the meeting, Mr. Robibero presented proposed responses to the ballot comments and the editorially revised proposal. A motion was made to approve the proposed responses and editorially revised proposal. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please see Attachment 11 for the proposed responses and revised proposal. September 2016: Prior to this meeting, this item was submitted for recirculation ballot and as a result, two disapproval votes were carried over and one was reaffirmed along with an additional comment. Please see Attachment 12 for the ballot results and responses. During the meeting, Mr. Robibero went over the ballot results with proposed responses. Furthermore, Mr. Robibero reported that consensus has been reached on this item and recommends that a request for ruling of consensus should be made to the A17 Standards Committee. A motion was made, seconded and approved unanimously to approve the proposed responses and send a request for ruling of consensus to the A17 Standards Committee at their next meeting. January 2017: This item has been sent to the A17 Standards Committee with the request for ruling of consensus at their next meeting in January During the meeting, it was reported by members that this item was approved at a previous Standards Committee meeting. However, upon further review by the Staff Secretary, since it is not documented in the minutes of the Standards Committee meetings, this action will need to be taken and documented at the next Standards meeting. This item was requested to be included in the January 2017 Standards meeting, but will now be included in the May 2017 meeting. May 2017 Discussion: This item has been sent to the A17 Standards Committee with the request for ruling of consensus at their next meeting in January Record ; Swing Door Monitors - Attachment 16a-16b (May 2013 Minutes) Attachment 18 (September 2013 Minutes) Attachment 15 (January 2014 Minutes) Attachment 14a-14b (May 2014 Minutes) Attachment 16 (September 2014 Minutes) Attachment 7 (May 2015 Minutes) Attachment 10 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 12 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 13 (September 2016 Minutes) Attachment 12 (January 2017 Minutes) Task Group: Prince (Chair), Blackaby, Hoppie, and Henderson For May 2013 Minutes see May 2016 Minutes 15

16 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 September 2013: See Attachment 18 for the proposal that was received from the A17 Existing Installation. The A17 Electrical Committee requests more background information as well as a more detailed rationale for this change from the A17 Existing Installation Committee. January 2014: A memo was sent to Mr. Gerson for further background information as well as a detailed rationale for this change from the A17 Existing Installation Committee. This item will be on hold until a response is gained from them. See Attachment 15 for the interoffice memo that was sent to Mr. Gerson. See page 3 of Attachment 15 for the proposal from the A17 Existing Installation Committee. May 2014: TN was sent out for a first consideration ballot (ballot ). As a result of this ballot, Mr. Turner suggested that this TN belongs to the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Existing Installation should not have sent out this ballot. Please see Attachment 14a for the chain. It is not their requirement. Furthermore, this ballot was withdrawn by the A17 Existing Installations Committee as a result of a request to have TN move to the A17 Electrical Committee for their review. Please see Attachment 14b for the proposal. During the meeting, Mr. Blackaby reviewed the proposal from the A17 Existing Installation. Mr. Blackaby suggests that a task group be open to consider swing door operations. The task group Prince (Chair), Blackaby and Hoppie. September 2014: Ms. Prince presented a proposal to the A17 Electrical Committee. Based on discussion, task group will meet and have a full report at the next A17 Electrical Committee Meeting. Furthermore, since this item belongs to the A17 Electrical Committee, it will be moved to technical revisions. Please see Attachment 16 for the proposal. January 2015: No report. Ms. Prince was not present at the meeting. May 2015: Please see Attachment 7 for the proposal as present at the September, 2014 A17 Electrical Committee Meeting. Ms. Prince is asked to report. Ms. Prince reported that the task group did not get a chance to meet and a full report will be given at the September, 2015 meeting. October 2015: Ms. Prince requested that her Task Group will meet Monday morning in January 2016, to discuss this item. January 2016: Ms. Prince reported that the TG met on January 11, 2016 and worked on the proposal. During the meeting, Ms. Prince presented the revised proposal to the committee. Furthermore, Ms. Prince recommends that this revised proposal be sent for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Hoistway Committee. 16

17 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 A motion was made to send the revised proposal as presented by Ms. Prince for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Hoistway Committee. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please see Attachment 10 for the revise proposal. May 2016: This item was sent for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Hoistway Committee, as a result, 4 comments was received. Prior to the meeting, Ms. Prince submitted proposed responses and a revised proposal. Please see Attachment 12 for the revise proposal and proposed responses. Ms. Prince was not present at the meeting. As a result, Mr. Blackaby suggested tabling this item to our September, 2016 meeting to allow Ms. Prince to report and present her proposed responses and revised proposal. September 2016: During the meeting, the committee reviewed Ms. Prince s proposed responses and revised proposal found in Attachment 13. Mr. Busse raised a point that as the revised proposal is not currently written using the 2016 language of the code. As such, this item will be send back to the task group with a task to review the current code and update the proposal. The Staff Secretary has volunteered to review the proposal and the current approved language of the code (see Record ) and make any necessary changes. A report will be given at the January, 2016 Meeting. January 2017: Please see the proposal revised to use 2016 language of the code in Attachment 12. During the meeting, the committee determined to review during the morning session in Phoenix and defer discussion until then when Debbie Prince will be able to attend. May 2017 Discussion: The Task Group is asked to report. 8.4 Record , Requirements 2.25 & 3.25 Attachment 12 (January 2016 Minutes) - Attachment 14 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 15 (September 2016 Minutes) Attachment 13 (January 2017 Minutes) Task Group: Caldwell (chair), Castillo, Ojapalo, Hoppie, Henderson, Blackaby, Prince, Mihai, Burch, Mason and Stockstill. September 2014: This TN is open as a result of Inquiry At the meeting, the committee decided to open a new TN to review Requirement and revise it as necessary. A motion was made to open a new TN to discuss a revision on Requirement The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. January 2015: TN will be incorporated and combine with this TN. Mr. Caldwell reported that the task group met yesterday for the first time and had good initial discussions on this item. He further reported that another task group meeting will be scheduled and held prior to the May, 2015 Meeting. 17

18 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 May 2015: Mr. Henderson reported that a conference call meeting will be scheduled to work on this proposal and a full report will be given at the October, 2015 Meeting. October 2015: Mr. Caldwell reported that Task Group met yesterday morning. Next meeting November 9 via teleconference and then afternoon session in Clearwater Beach (Jan 2016). Mr. Caldwell wishes clarification on the combination of item 8.6 and 8.7. Need to now cover ETSL, NTSD and Hydraulic WRT independence. The Task Group should try to cover any cases where there is electrical independence. January 2016: Mr. Caldwell reported that there was a couple TG meetings held between October and January, The focus of the discussion was on ETSL, with the focus on addressing NTSD and Hydraulic WRT independence. Some of the things that will be goal of this item is to provide communication for terminal stopping means. Please see Attachment 12 for a full report from Mr. Caldwell. There was heavy discussion on NTSD and removing this in moving forward. Mr. Robibero suggested that we look at how NTSD is incorporated in the code and from that analysis, we can figure out how to move forward. Mr. Blackaby will speak with the Chair of the A17 Hydraulic Committee to see if any members of that committee would like to participate on this TG. Mr. Mihai will put together a proposal on how to structure and refine the requirements for NTSD and second level safety functions. This proposal once drafted will be added as a discussion item on the May, 2016 Agenda. May 2016: During the meeting, Mr. Caldwell reported that the TG met on May 2, Furthermore, Mr. Caldwell went over the current proposal from the Task Group. The task group is recommending to delete section , but before doing this, they will need a deeper understanding of the requirement. Mr. Caldwell this item is still ongoing and a meeting will be held in 4 weeks to continue working on this. Please see Attachment 14 for the minutes from the May 2, 2016 TG meeting. September 2016: Mr. Caldwell reported that the TG met on September 26, 2016 looked over requirement At their meeting, they have defined the scope of this Task group. During the meeting, Mr. Caldwell went over the proposal found in Attachment 15 with the committee. Furthermore, he recommends that this proposal be submitted for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee. A motion was made to send the proposal as prepared by the TG for a review and comment ballot to the A17 Electrical Committee. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. January 2017 Discussion: Please see the updated background file (including most recent ballot comments) in Attachment 13.The task group met the day prior to this meeting and determined that this proposal needs to be significantly changed. They wish to adjust to singular failure requirements to ETSL. Originally, the task group approached this as an intent interpretation. However, upon review, they concluded that technical changes were warranted. For example: the cases of close landings are not addressed, in that you may not be able to detect failures. The task group plans on putting together a new strawman 18

19 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 proposal to address the comments and plans on having another meeting late February/early March. May 2017 Discussion: The Task Group is asked to report. 8.5 Record , Requirement (h) Attachment 4b (May 2015 Discussion) Attachment 17 (October 2015 Minutes) Attachment 13 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 15 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 16 (September 2-16 Minutes) Attachment 14 May 2015: During the meeting, the committee reviewed requirement (h) and made an editorial clarification to that requirement. A motion was made to open a record to review requirement (h) and send it for a first consideration ballot. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please see Attachment 4b for the proposal. October 2015: This item was sent for a first consideration ballot. As a result, it received 4 disapproved votes from the A17 Standards Committee. Please see Attachment 17 for the ballot results. The PM is asked to report. It was decided that any further discussion on this item will wait until Inquiry is approved. January 2016: Inquiry is now approved. Mr. Blackaby is asked to report. Please see Attachment 13 for the ballot results from ballot During the meeting, Mr. Blackaby presented a revised proposal along with proposed responses to the ballot comments. While revising the revised proposal, there was a suggestion to perform a hazard analysis to see the hazard of an elevator personnel standing, kneeling or crouching. Another suggestion was to expand the rationale to give more information on this proposal. Mr. Blackaby reported that he will speak with members of the A17 Hoistway and Inspections committee to see if they are interested in participating in this Hazard Analysis. Furthermore, Mr. Burch reported Mr. Blackaby speak to Mr. McColl as the A17 Hoistway Committee may have done some work on this before moving forward. May 2016: During the meeting, Mr. Blackaby reported that he got in contact with Mr. McColl and he is in agreement with conducting a hazard analysis. A team will be form to conduct the hazard analysis. September 2016: No report. January 2017: During the meeting, the committee reviewed the history of this item. Mr. Blackaby reported that there is hesitance in conducting a hazard analysis. It was also reported that the Hoistway committee is currently working on this issue. May 2017 Discussion: The committee is asked to discuss. 19

20 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, UPDATES OF OTHER CODE COMMITTEE ACTIONS 9.1 NEC Attachment 13 (January 2014 Minutes) - Attachment 12a-12b (May 2014 Minutes) Attachment 15a-15b (September 2014 Minutes) Attachment 10a-10b (January 2015 Minutes) Attachment 10a-10b (May 2015 Minutes) Attachment 15 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 17 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 17 Attachment 18 (September 2016 Minutes) Attachment 14 For January 2011 to October 2012 Minutes see May 2016 Minutes 2020 EDITION NEC REVISION CYCLE* Date Event Sept. 7, 2017 Proposal closing date Jan. 8-20, 2018 First Draft Meetings July 6, 2018 Post final first draft report August 30, 2018 Public Comment closing date Oct. 22 Nov. 3, Second Draft Meetings 2018 April 5, 2019 Post final draft for NITMAM review Not posted Council issuance of document Not posted Publication *For Full Timetable for the 2020 Edition of NEC found in Attachment 10 September 2013: Mr. Blain reported that the 2014 Edition of NEC Revision Cycle will be published this month. He further reported that he is still in the need for an alternate for NFPA-70 Panel 12 representing NEII. Mr. Henderson and Mr. Hoppie have volunteered to be an alternate to Mr. Blain. January 2014: Mr. Blain reported that the next edition the next edition (2017) of the NEC is now open for Public Input. Please note that the closing date for the NEC is October 3, 2014 for PAPER submissions and November 7, 2014 for online submissions for all public inputs. Please see Attachment 13 for the form that should be used to submit public inputs. The 2014 edition of the NEC is now published and available for purchase. May 2014: Mr. Blain reported that NEII suggested that both of his alternates who volunteered to be should apply to be his alternate on that committee (NFPA-70) (Mr. Henderson and Mr. Hoppie). Mr. Blain will forward the link to apply online for this position. Mr. Blain also presented the NEC schedule for the 2016 revision cycle of the NEC. See Attachment 12a for the NEC meeting schedule. During the meeting, Mr. Blain presented the public inputs submissions for the 2017 edition of the NEC. Please see Attachment 12b for the public input submissions from the A17 Electrical Committee. 20

21 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 A motion was made to endorse Mr. Robibero proposal. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. A motion was made to endorse Mr. Blackaby proposal. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. A motion was made to endorse Mr. Caldwell proposal (620.21). The motion was seconded and approved (3 opposed (HenryG, WoodS, BarkandT), 1 abstain (MihaiM). Mr. Caldwell presented a second proposal (620.11(A)), but after discussion during the meeting, he decided to withdraw his proposal. See page 8 of Attachment 12b. A motion was made to endorse Mr. Mason proposal. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. These proposals will be sent to the A17 Standards Committee Secretary for inclusion on the next A17 Standards Committee agenda. September 2014: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Jim Caldwell submitted two proposals that have been discussed at the task group meeting and has been revised. The two proposals are on Requirements and (C). Furthermore, prior to the meeting, Mr. Blain submitted a two new proposals for revision of Section and Section Mr. Blain reported that Mr. Henderson has been approved to be his alternate on the NEII Committee. He further reported that at the next meeting, he will see all the other proposals. If there are any other proposals to modified Section 620, he will present them at the January, 2015 A17 Electrical Committee Meeting. During the meeting, Mr. Blain went over the previously submitted NEC proposals as well as the 4 new proposals. A motion was made to endorse Mr. Robibero revised proposal on Section (C). The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. A motion was made to endorse Mr. Caldwell revised proposal on Section The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Mr. Blain further reported that he will present these proposals at the next NFPA Meeting which is scheduled to be held next week. Mr. Blain reported on the changes on the 2014 edition of NFPA 70 to the committee. Please see Attachment 15a for the 6 endorsed proposals from the A17 Electrical Committee and the Attachment 15b for the changes made to the 2014 edition of the NFPA 70 code. Mr. Caldwell is requesting that a task group be formed to investigate changes to A17.1 to allow broader use of class 2 wiring. The task group is Caldwell (chair), Hoppie, Ojapalo, Castillo, Blain, Carlton, and Henderson. This item will be added under discussion items on future agendas. See discussion item 10.4 for updates on Class Wiring in A

22 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 January 2015: Mr. Blain reported there was thousands of codes submitted to the NEC and 47 proposals that affected elevators. During the meeting, Mr. Blain went through all the proposals that are related to elevator. A motion was made to send these proposals and the feedback from the A17 Electrical Committee to Code Making Panel 12. The motion was seconded and approved. (1 Abstention, 1 Disapproved (WoodS)). Please see Attachment 10a for the proposals and Attachment 10b for the excel document that contains the feedback on the NEC proposal. May 2015: Please see Attachment 10a for the summary of inputs gained from the A17 Electrical Committee at their January, 2015 meeting. Following the meeting, Mr. Blain received two proposals from Mr. Henry regarding rules and in the NEC Code. Please see Attachment 10b for the proposals and the correspondence. Mr. Blain was not present at the meeting. However, Mr. Blain submitted a report to Mr. Ramcharran to report on his behalf at the A17 Electrical Committee meeting. Mr. Blain reported( via ) that the NEC revisions including all that we have proposed and which have survived the first draft meetings will be posted for public comment in July. The public comment period closes in September. October 2015: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Blain reported that the public input comment period for the first draft of the 2017 NEC closed on Sept. 25 as shown in the schedule published in our minutes. There were 1,506 public comments submitted. At present, Mr. Blain does not know how many of these pertain to article 620. Furthermore, there are meetings being scheduled to review these comments from November 2-12, 2015 in San Diego. Request that Mr. Blain compile the public comments and develop proposed strawman position for each requirement before October 15, 2015, for distribution to A17 Electrical. In addition, establish a teleconference for any individuals interested in discussion of the comments before November 2, January 2016: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Blain provided an update on the 2017 NEC Code. There was a total of 1506 public comments that was submitted and 18 of these comments was related to Article 620. Please see Attachment 15 for the draft copy of the second revisions created at the second draft meetings of Code Making Panel 12. During the meeting, Mr. Blain went over the comments that is related to Article 620. He further reported that what was submitted on the second draft will be mostly likely be published unless you file a NITMAN to NEC. May 2016: Mr. Mason reported on behalf of Mr. Blain. During the meeting, Mr. Mason went over the NEC 2017 proposal for the NFPA edition. Please see Attachment 17 for the NEC feedback from the proposals received that effects to the A17 Electrical Committee. 22

23 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 September 2016: Please see Attachment 17 for the NEC feedback from the proposals received that effects to the A17 Electrical Committee. During the meeting, Mr. Blain reported that the 2017 edition of the NEC is published. Furthermore, he went over the changes made in the Article 620 of the 2017 Edition of NEC. Prior to the meeting, Ms. Paulina submitted two questions regarding the 2017 Edition of NEC for discussion from the A17 Electrical Committee. During the meeting, Mr. Blackaby is in agreement with some of the suggestions that Ms. Paulina s has brought up and as a result, he will prepare a proposal for the 2020 edition of NEC. Please see Attachment 18 for Ms. Paulina s comments. January 2017: Mr. Blain reported that there is nothing new to report since last meeting. The 2017 edition was published. Cut-off date for 2020 edition will be on September 7, The next NEC meeting will be in January Any proposals should be brought to the next meeting. This will be discussed on the entirety on the next Monday Task group meeting time in Phoenix. Further discussion arose regarding Ms. Paulina s comments and if it requires a proposal. Mr. Blackaby and Paul Hoppie volunteered to prepare a proposal to address her concerns. May 2017 Discussion: The committee is asked to discuss any proposals submitted for review. 9.2 ISO/TC 178/WG8 New Electrical Working Committee For May 2009 to May 2013 Minutes: see May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Robibero reported they met in May, 2013 at the TSSA office. They went through the comments they received and changes they made to the PESSRAE series. He further reported that they will meet sometime in the first or second quarter of 2014 and continue their work to the revision of the PESSRAE series.me me January September 2014: Mr. Robibero reported that the next meeting is in June, January 2015: Mr. Robibero reported that the WG-8 met in Early November, They reviewed the editorial comments from the PSSRAE Series. Two work items were open. One was on EMC Standard that will resolve and harmonize ISO Standard and EN The second work item is in regards to to updating informative Table B-1 for the national norm electrical requirements and any impact on the normative section addressed. The next meeting has not been announced yet, but it should be in April 21-23, May 2015: Mr. Robibero reported that the ISO Standards Committee will be voting on an editorial changes to PESSRAL. Their next meeting will be in June, 2015 where they 23

24 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 will review the results of the voting conducted at the May, 2015 ISO Standards Committee meeting. Furthermore, Mr. Blackaby and Mr. Robibero will work together to put together a proposal to present to the A17 Electrical Committee at their September, 2015 Meeting. October 2015: WG8 is working on PESSRAL edits and updating EMC/EMI. January 2016: See Section 8.3 of the Minutes for a report on this item. May 2016: Mr. Robibero reported that the PESSEL Series will be published later this year. The other two standards are currently in the final balloting phases. September 2016: Mr. Robibero reported that ISO (PESSRAL) has been finalized and is approved for its next revision. This will be published early next year. The ISO (PESSRAE) for escalators is in its final stage and will go to formal vote once they resolve all the technical comments. These comments will be addressed at the October 21-22, 2016 meeting in Italy. The ISO DTR Guide is expecting to be published in April EMC Standards ISO and ISO will harmonized within this next revision. WG8 is working on an update of the electrical comparison between the A17.1, EN20/50, and Japanese building law. January 2017: Mr. Robibero reported that this group had its last meeting in Finland with other task groups. They worked on resolving comments. There is no outstanding work to be completed. They are looking at SEERAE and PESSERAL requirements in reference to cross-references from the three national body standards: EN2050 Standards and Japanese Standard and A17 Standards. There is work to bring these requirements into the ISO Standards. They are focusing on creating as many cross references for electrical elevator standards. It will be published as a technical report and decisions will be made accordingly. The next meeting will be in the States and one in Asia this year. The EN standards are in the process of being published. There will be two standards that are maintained by ISO. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Robibero is asked to report. 9.3 B44.1/A17.5 Standing Committee Report Attachment 7 (January 2013 Minutes) Attachment 10a-10b (May 2013 Minutes) Attachment 12 (September 2013 Minutes) Attachment 16 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 18 (May 2016 Minutes) Attachment 19 (September 2016 Minutes)- Attachment 15 For May 2009 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Hite reports that ballot has closed with the following results: TN (Definitions) Approved; TN (Table 18 Updates) Approved; TN (Wind Turbine Endurance Test) Approved, and TN (Limited Energy Circuit Polymeric Enclosure Flame Testing) Approved. Please see Attachment 12 for a list of Approved TNs to be included in the 2013 Edition of CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5. The 24

25 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 proposed 2013 Edition is currently undergoing Public Review for both CSA and ASME (BSR-8). TN (Removal of Fahrenheit references) was not approved. It had 14 disapproved votes/comments; therefore the B44.1/A17.5 Chair plans to ask for a B44.1/A17.5 committee vote to close this TN w/o further action. Recent meetings of the CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 resulted in action items/task groups opened for Auxiliary devices grounding and bonding, Battery use, Elevator emergency car lighting, and Telecom connections. If interested in additional information on these items contact Mr. Hite or Mr. Della Porta. The next meeting of CSA-B44.1/ASME-A17.5 Committee is scheduled for October in Mississauga (Toronto), ON. January 2014: Mr. Hite reported that Ballot , TN was circulated and included all 7 previously approved TN for changes to CSA /ASME-A Furthermore, this item is now Standards Committee approved. CSA-B44.1/ASME-A17.5 document was submitted for ANSI public review (BSR-8) and closed on December 24, No comments were received. It has previously been through the public review by CSA in Canada with no comments. Furthermore, Mr. Hite reported that ongoing work by B44.1/A17.5 committee includes: a. TN to remove remaining few references to Fahrenheit from B44.1/A17.5. Unfortunately there were 14 disapproved votes on this. The Committee has to decide whether to provide responses to these negative votes or drop this matter. b. Discussions on the need for requirements for telecom equipment connected to elevator controllers. Could lighting strikes on telephone lines harm or create dangerous situations to the elevator controllers? c. Discussions on the need to clarify the test sequence required when testing motor controllers. The next meeting of the CSA-B44.1/ASME-A17.5 will be April 22 and 23 at CSA offices in Mississauga, Ontario. May 2014: Mr. Hite reported on the ongoing work of the B44.1/A17.5 committee, which includes: a. The CSA Project Manager for the B44.1/A17.5 Committee has advised that the 2014 Edition of CSA-B44.1/ASME-A17.5 will be published at CSA by the end of May, provided there are no additional issues by ASME. b. A proposal for requirements for telecommunication equipment that is included inside of an elevator controller: Equipment intended for direct connection to a TELECOMMUNICATION NETWORK shall be Certified/Listed for compliance with CSA C22.2 No /UL or investigated for compliance with the applicable construction and test requirements of CSA C22.2 No /UL c. A proposal for battery-operated elevator car emergency light equipment. 25

26 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 d. A proposal to add a test for electronic motor overload protection. e. A proposal to replace "auxiliary" with "supplementary" or "additional" in four instances within the document. f. The proposal to remove the few remaining references to Fahrenheit in B44.1/A17.5 has met with stiff resistance with many disapproved votes on the ballot. No decision on the next action to take on this matter. g. Ongoing discussion on a proposal to clarify the test sequence required when testing motor controllers. h. Next meeting will probably be at UL in Chicago, but it has not yet been finalized. Mr. Hite further mentioned that most of the proposals are too long to include here, and if you would like a copy of any proposal(s), please contact him directly or Mr. Della Porta if additional information is needed. September 2014: Mr. Della Porta reported that A was published on July 2, It included 7 TNs. Furthermore, there is currently there is one open TN (13-978) and it attempted to have consistency throughout the standard. This TN will be submitted for ballot. He further reported that 4 new TNs will be opened, some of which is for telecom clarifications, clarifications on AUX references 3 or 4 clauses. The next meeting for A17.5 will in the week of October 6, 2014 in Chicago, IL. January 2015: Mr. Hite to report on the ongoing work of the B44.1/A17.5 committee, which includes the following actions taken at their meeting in Chicago, October 7-8, 2014: 1.It was voted and approved to withdraw TN , which had attempted to remove the remaining references to degrees Fahrenheit from B44.1/A17.5, because of the number of not approved votes and the strong opposition shown in the comments that accompanied those votes. 2.The following proposals were voted and approved and will be/have been forwarded to CSA Editorial group for sign-off prior to submittal to Geraldine to create TNs: a. To add requirements for testing of telecom circuits used in elevator control equipment. b. To clarify the references to V rms and V peak was approved. c. To replace the word auxiliary with supplementary or additional in selected selections. d. To correct the standard to require French wording only for labels that include the words Caution or Warning. 3.A proposal to add requirements for solid state ac motor controller tests, as now required by UL508C, was discussed. A final proposal will be voted on at the next meeting. 4.A proposal to add test requirements for touchscreen panels was discussed. An updated proposal will be presented at the next meeting. 26

27 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, Concern was discussed that the changes to NEC2014 to allow elevator controllers to be rated for use up to 1000V would require many changes to B44.1/A17.5 because all of the requirements in A17.5 are based on a 600V limitation. It was agreed to continue this discussion at the next meeting after we could obtain the rational for the change in NEC. 6.Concern was discussed that there was not a definition for the AGP (Access by General Public) marking in either A17.5 or A17.1. A definition is to be drafted and discussed at the next meeting. 7.It was agreed that the next B44.1/A17.5 Committee meeting would be held at the ThyssenKrupp location in Memphis, Tennessee on April 21 & 22, May 2015: Mr. Hite reported on the ongoing work of the B44.1/A17.5 committee, which includes the following actions taken at their meeting in Memphis, April 2015: 1. The following records are open for the B44.1/A17.5 Committee: a. Record , Remove degree F. 8 Negatives, requested Geraldine to withdrawn the record. b.record , Markings clarification. Closed, approved with 0 negatives. c. Record , V rms and V peak. Closes 22 May d.record , Auxiliary reference. Closes 22 May e. Record , Telecom connections. Closed w/comments now addressed by A A preliminary proposal to add requirements for solid state ac motor controller tests was discussed. A final proposal will be voted on at the next meeting. Does the electrical committee want to be included in the A17 balloting for this? 3. An updated proposal to add test requirements for touchscreen panels was discussed. The proposal presented required renumbering the entire existing sections 19 and 20 of the B44.1/A17.5 standard. The Committee requested that the proposal be re-visited to see if this could not be handled with a change to the Scope of B44.1/A No additional discussion on the concern raised because of changes to NEC2014 to allow elevator controllers to be rated for use up to 1000V. 5. No additional discussion on the concern that there was not a definition for the AGP (Access by General Public) marking in either A17.5 or A It was agreed that the next B44.1/A17.5 Committee meeting would be held at the CSA offices Toronto, Ontario on September 15-16, October 2015: Mr. Hite to report on the ongoing work of the B44.1/A17.5 committee, which includes the following actions taken at their meeting in Toronto, September The following Records are open for the B44.1/A17.5 Committee: a (Ballot ): Remove degree F. 8 Negatives, requested for a second time for Geraldine to add withdrawing this Record to the A17 agenda. b (Ballot ): Markings clarification. Closed, approved with 0 negatives. CSA Editor is requiring that the Annex be Normative not 27

28 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Informative. Geraldine advises this will require a new Ballot to change the word Normative to Informative, which I have asked Geraldine to process. c (Ballot ): V rms and V peak. Stds Comm Approved. d (Ballot ): Auxiliary reference. Stds Comm Approved. e (Ballot ): Telecom connections. Closed w/comments that have been addressed by A17.5. Need to determine why it has not been moved forward by ASME. 2. The proposal to add requirements for solid state ac motor controller tests now includes updating Tables 17 and 19 to add this test to the tests sequence. It was also decided that a thermal retention/memory test was required as it relates to NEC A final proposal including this will be provided at the next A17.5 meeting. 3. An updated proposal to add test requirements for touchscreen panels was discussed. The proposal presented required renumbering the entire existing sections 19 and 20 of the B44.1/A17.5 standard. The Committee requested that the proposal be re-visited to see if this could not be handled with a change to the Scope of B44.1/A17.5. CSA staff attending as Guests dissuaded the members from using the Scope to accomplish this. A new proposal is to be presented at the next meeting. 4. Discussion about the proposed new Clause 5.4 to add requirements for doors and covers of chair lift type of controllers revealed that these requirements are already covered in CSA B Additionally it was agreed to review ASME 18.1 to confirm the requirements are there also. Accordingly, the proposal for a new Clause 5.4 was withdrawn. 5. Discussion on the concern raised because of changes to NEC2014 to allow elevator controllers to be rated for use up to 1000V came to the conclusion that to implement the 1000V limit into A17.5/B44.1 would require the Scope be revised and this would require a review of every clause and table in the standard. Further action was tabled. 6. Discussion on a definition for the AGP (Access by General Public) marking in either A17.5 or A17.1 concluded this has been addressed by Record , which is A17 Standards Committee Approved to add a note to A17.1/B44, Clause , that explains the meaning of AGP. Further action by the A17.5 Committee is not required. 7. New business: Considerable discussion about the requirements for clearance Vs. creepage spacings on printed circuit boards and it they are correctly addressed on the B44.1/A17.5 standard. A task group was formed to review spacing requirements in detail and present a proposal at the next meeting. 8. New business: Discussion if a definition is required for Class 2 as it is intended to be applicable in the B44.1/A17.5 Scope, Clause 1.4. The Scope exempts devices rated for connection to extra-low-voltage Class 2 supply circuits as defined in the applicable electrical code. The NEC defines a Class 2 circuit as a a listed Class 2 transformer ; a listed Class 2 power supply ; other listed equipment marked to identify the Class 2 power source ; Listed information technology (computer) equipment limited-power circuits. The CEC uses specific power limitations to define Class 2. What is not clear is to which standard, CSA and/or UL, must a power supply/source be Listed/Labelled to qualify under this exemption. 28

29 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, It was agreed that the next B44.1/A17.5 Committee meeting would be held at the UL offices Northbrook, IL on April 27-28, Everyone is invited to attend, but nonmembers should advise myself or Oreste Simonetta if you are planning to attend. January 2016: During the meeting, Mr. Mueller reported on numerous updates on B44.1/A17.5. Please see Attachment 16 for the report as presented at the meeting. May 2016: During the meeting, Mr. Hite reported on numerous updates on B44.1/A17.5. Please see Attachment 18 for the report as presented at the meeting. September 2016: During the meeting, Mr. Hite reported on numerous updates on B44.1/A17.5. Please see Attachment 19 for the report as presented at the meeting. January 2017: During the meeting, Mr. Hite reported on numerous updates on B44.1/A17.5. Please see Attachment 15 for the report as presented at the meeting. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Hite is asked to report. 9.4 Record Door Protection Requirements Attachment 4 (January 2013 Minutes) Attachment 11a-11b (May 2015 Minutes) Attachment 19a-19b (October 2015 Minutes) Attachment 17 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 17 (January 2016 Minutes) Attachment 20 (September 2016 Minutes) For September 2005 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes. September 2013: Mr. Kleine reported that he has received all the information from the Mr. Juhasz and is currently waiting for a TG to be set up. January 2014: Mr. Kleine reported that there is nothing new to report on this item. Mr. Blackaby further reported that he will speak to Mr. Capuano regarding the status on this item. May September 2014: Mr. Kleine reported that there is nothing new to report on this item. January 2015: Mr. Kleine reported that he is now part of the task group for this item within A17 Ad Hoc Committee. He further reported that a ballot was sent out and it was closed at the end of last year. A task group meeting will be held at the end of February, 2015 to review the ballot results. Furthermore, he will report further on this item at the May, 2015 Meeting. This item will be moved to Section 11 (Discussions from other Code Committees) in future agendas since it s a revision from another committee that the A17 Electrical Committee is monitoring. May 2015: Mr. Hoppie reported that Mr. Kleine and he are now on the distributing list for this item and their next meeting will be held in NY. Mr. Ramcharran volunteered to dig into this item and get some information on exactly where it is. ASME Staff Update: A proposal has been drafted and it can be seen under record Furthermore, this item is not under Record With that being said, this section has 29

30 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 been updated. Please see Attachment 11a for the proposal and Attachment 11b for notes on AHDP. October 2015: This proposal was submitted for a review and comment ballot the A17 Standards Committee, NIRG, Hoistway, Hydraulic and the Mechanical Design Committees. As a result, this item received numerous comments. Please see Attachment 19a for the ballot results and Attachment 19b for the proposal. Mr. Hoppie reported that there is no report at this time. January 2016: Mr. Kleine reported that this item went out for a review and comment ballot and was closed in November, As a result, this item received 10 comments. The committee will discuss these comments at their May, 2016 Meeting. Please see Attachment 17 for the ballot results. May 2016: Mr. Klein reported that the A17 Ad Hoc met on May 2, 2016 and went over the latest ballot results. As a result, a revised proposal will be submitted for a review and comment ballot. September 2016: Record went out for review and comment ballot that closed on August 19, Following the item was revised and is out again for first consideration ballot and due to close on December 1, Please see Attachment 20 for the current proposal. They have also put together a proposal for 8.10 for Door Protection Testing. January 2017: Mr. Kleine reported that they met on Dec 6, 2016 to go over responses and these responses were all contingent on the time the doors remain open. They changed the time from 15 to 20 seconds from ADA and it is now back out for 1 st consideration and will close at the end of January. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Kleine is asked to report. 9.5 Record ; Requirement , Jawless Governor Rope Tension Switch Attachment 18 (September 2014 Minutes) Attachment 20 (October 2015 Minutes) Attachment 21a Attachment 21b (September 2016 Minutes) Attachment 16a &16b (January 2017 Minutes) Task Group: Blackaby, Prince and Henderson September 2014: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Henderson suggested adding a discussion item on the agenda to discuss SIL rating for tension switch in requirement The code allows the Jawless Governor Rope Tension Switch to be SIL rated by reference to , but there is no SIL rating given in Table for requirement Please see Attachment 18 for the request from Mr. Henderson. Mr. Henderson presented a hazard analysis on this item and a proposal. Discussion was brought up to review the hazard analysis and form a task group to review this. The task group is Henderson (Chair) and Blackaby. 30

31 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 A motion was made to open a TN for this item. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. The TN for this item is January 2015: Mr. Henderson reported that the task group met on January 12, 2015 and reviewed and revised a proposal that came out of the A17 Mechanical Design Committee. Mr. Blackaby reported that the A17 Mechanical Design Committee needs to review this proposal. Further discussion arose that this proposal should be moved to the A17 Mechanical Design Committee. A motion was made to send and move this proposal to the A17 Mechanical Design Committee. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. This item will be moved to Section 11 (Discussions from other Code Committees) on future agendas. May 2015: Mr. Henderson reported that there is not action for the A17 Electrical Committee at this point and pending input from the A17 Mechanical Design Committee in regards to the SIL values. October 2015: Prior to the meeting, the secretary of the A17 Mechanical Design Committee request to solicit representatives from the A17 Electrical Committee to work with Mr. Tuner, Horne and Koshak to develop a proposal. Please see Attachment 20 for the request. The following members volunteered: Messrs. Blackaby, Prince and Henderson to join joint Task Group. January 2016 May 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that there has been no progress on this item. September 2016: Prior to this meeting, the task group met and conducted a hazard analysis. As a result, a proposal was drafted. Please see Attachment 21a for the hazard analysis and Attachment 21b for the proposal. Mr. Blackaby reports that a meeting will be held to go through a risk analysis with the A17 Mechanical Design. A full report will be given at the January, 2017 Meeting. January 2017 Discussion: Mr. Blackaby reported that the language was changed 2 years ago (came from a request to add a SIL value). He also reported that the Mechanical Committee wants to send this out to ballot with some minor changes and will send out to review and comment ballot. Please see the completed Hazard analysis in Attachment 16a and the resulting proposal provided by Mechanical Design committee in Attachment 16b. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Blackaby is asked to report. 9.6 Record Mechanical Design Committee Retractable Platform Guard Task Group 31

32 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 Task Group: Kalgren (Chair), Walker, Lamb, Scott, Horne, Kaspersma, Henderson & Castillo For May 2012 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Castillo reported that the task group has not met since their last meeting. Furthermore, Mr. Castillo said that there is nothing new to report. January 2014: Mr. Castillo reported that the TG met twice since the September, 2013 meeting. They have addressed the mechanical side to the retractable toe guard and will meet again to discuss the electrical side to the retractable toe guard. May 2014: Mr. Castillo reported that the task group has not met to discuss this item. However, they plan to meet in September, September 2014: Mr. Castillo reported that the Task group has not met and currently, there is no scheduled task group meetings. January 2015: Mr. Castillo reported that the task group has not met in the past year. Based on that, this item will not make it on the next edition of the code and it will be picked back up during the middle of this year. May 2015: Mr. Castillo reported that the task group will meet in August, 2015 in NY. He will give a full report at the September, 2015 meeting. October 2015: No report. January 2016: Mr. Castillo reported that the TG met on January 11, 2016 and it is currently a work in progress. May 2016-January 2017: No report. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Castillo is asked to report. 9.7 Record ; Proposed Definition for A17.1 of Emergency Power, Auxiliary Power and Standby Power Attachment 13 (May 2013 Minutes) Attachment 15 (September 2013 Minutes) Attachment 13a- 13b (May 2015 Minutes) Attachment 17 (January 2017 Minutes) Attachment 10 Task Group: Henderson, Donnelly, Carlson, Caldwell and Blackaby For May 2013 Minutes: see May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Henderson reported that he and Mr. Blackaby has done research on these definitions and there will be a lot of impact on other committees. Mr. Henderson further reported that they have come up with preliminary definitions and these definitions 32

33 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 will be sent to the Task groups for their revision. Mr. Henderson reported that he will have an update at the next A17 Electrical Committee meeting. See Attachment 15. January 2014: Mr. Henderson reported that there has been to work done on this item and he will send the preliminary definitions he has drafted to the TG for their review and have a full report at the next A17 Electrical Committee Meeting. May 2014: Mr. Henderson reported that he made several attempt to get a TG meeting scheduled, but was unsuccessful. He further reported that he will try to get a meeting together before the next A17 Electrical Committee Meeting. September 2014: Mr. Henderson presented a proposal document on definitions of Emergency Power. This item will be tabled and the task group will meet and discuss this item January 2015: Mr. Henderson reported that the task group met and prepared the definitions and code changes that will affect numerous A17 Committees. During the meeting, Mr. Henderson presented the proposed definitions and the code changes or revisions to numerous sections of the code where these new definitions will affect. A motion was made to approve the proposed definitions and move and send it to the A17 Inspections Committees for their review. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. See Attachment 11a for the proposed definitions. This item will be removed from future agendas. Staff Update: Following the meeting, the A17 Inspections Committee ASME Staff (Mr. Riad Mohamed) reported that these definitions belongs to the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Electrical Committee should open a TN for these definitions and send it out for ballot. Please see Attachment 11b for correspondence. May 2015: Based on Mr. Ramcharran update above, this item was left on the agenda for future discussion from the A17 Electrical Committee. Please see Attachment 13a for the proposed definitions and Attachment 13b for the correspondence from Mr. Mohamed. Mr. Ramcharran will get in contact with Mr. Mohamed to set up a teleconference for the task group of both committees to decide what the intention of this item is and how to move forward. October 2015: Mr. Blackaby will research if further action is needed and report at the January, 2016 Meeting. January 2016 May 2016: No report. 33

34 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 September 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that the A17 Electrical Committee should take the lead on this item. Mr. Henderson will prepare a revised proposal for the January, 2017 meeting. January 2017: Mr. Henderson prepared the proposal for the committee found in Attachment 17 for the committee s review. A motion was made, seconded, and approved unanimously to send this proposal for review and comment ballot to Inspections, Emergency Operations, Existing Installations, Electrical, Mechanical Design, Hydraulic, Hoistway, Maintenance Repair and Replacement, and Rack & Pinion and Special Purpose Personnel Elevators Working committees. May 2017 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, Record was balloted as agreed upon at the last meeting. As a result Ballot closed resulting in comments as shown in the background file, Attachment 11. Mr. Henderson is asked to report on responses to ballot comments DISCUSSION ITEMS 10.1 Review of Inspections Requirements with regard to Electrical Issues For January 2009 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September 2013: Mr. Caldwell reported that this item will be tabled until the A Standard is published. January 2014: Mr. Blackaby reported that the A is now published and he will start working on getting something ready for the A17 Electrical Committee. May October 2015: Mr. Blackaby reported that there is no progress on this item at this time. January 2016 September 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that as soon as A is publish, he will start preparing a proposal for the A17 Electrical Committee. January 2017: Mr. Blackaby reported that he will attempt to do for May or September meeting. May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Blackaby is asked to report Discussion on definitions for operation control and motion control Task Group: Caldwell (Chair), Busse and Blackaby. For September 2011 to May 2013 Minutes: See May 2016 Minutes September October 2015: This item will be tabled pending the status of Inquiry

35 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 January 2016: Inquiry 13-5 is now approved. Mr. Caldwell reported that there is no update on this item. Mr. Blackaby suggested that we take a look at the definition section and see if we need to provide clarifications and the need to pursue this item. May 2016: Mr. Caldwell reported that there has been no significant progress on this item. Furthermore, a task group meeting will be held prior to the next A17 Electrical Committee meeting. The task group is: Caldwell (Chair), Busse and Blackaby. September 2016: No report. A report will be given at the January, 2017 meeting. January 2017: Mr. Caldwell reported that a meeting is expected to be held end of the January to discuss this item. May 2017 Discussion: The task group is asked to report Remote Monitoring Attachment 14 (May 2013 Minutes) Attachment 16a-16b (September 2013 Minutes) Task Group for Remote Mentoring: Blackaby (Chair), Burch, Carlson, Prince, Blain, Castillo, Hoppie, Ojapalo, Henderson, Robibero, Kleine, Wood, Caldwell, Donnelley and McCann. Task Group for Fire Wall Protection: Blackaby (Chair), For May 2013 Minutes: see May 2016 Minutes September 2013: See Attachment 16a which relates to remote monitoring, manipulation and operation. Mr. Klein reported that Mr. Blackaby has drafted some comments that he feels that will need to be addressed and they plan to have a TG meeting in November to discuss this item. During the meeting, the committee added additional comments for the TG to review in addition to the comments that Mr. Blackaby has brought up. See Attachment 16b. January 2014: Mr. Blackaby reported that not much work has been done with the remote monitoring. This item will be tabled until the next meeting. A TG meeting will be set up to discuss this item on Monday, May 5, 2014 in New Orleans, Louisiana. May 2014 October 2015: Mr. Blackaby reported that there is no progress on this item. January 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that now that Record is being close to being approved, he will start working on this. A task group meeting will set up on May 2,

36 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 May 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that the TG met on May 2, At the meeting, they started with a discussion with just members of the A17 Electrical Committee regarding this item. At the September, 2016 meeting, there will be a joint Task Group meeting with member from both the A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Inspections Committee. Furthermore, a task group for the fire wall protection will be set up prior to the September, 2016 meeting. The meeting will be held on in Bloomfield, CT during the week of August 8, September 2016: Mr. Blackaby reported that the task group met last month. Their next meeting is in Dallas, TX in November, The remote monitoring does not need any new requirements and falls under a subset of remote interaction. Rewording the requirement to not allow change to any of the results of A and 8.11 was discussed. January 2017: Mr. Blackaby reported that the task group met for 3 days in Dallas, TX. The next meeting is in Las Vegas on March 14-16, May 2017 Discussion: Mr. Blackaby is asked to report FDNY Question: Change in door monitoring when on Phase II-- Attachment 18 (January 2017 Minutes) Task Group: Doug Henderson (TGL), John Carlson, Jeff Blain, Carl Burch, Neal McCann, Debbie Prince and Neal McCann. January 2017: A17 Emergency Operations Working committee asks to form a joint task force. For reference please see the October 2016 EOC minutes for this item and the corresponding Attachment 18 (Referenced as Attachment 17 in the EOC October minutes). From the October 2016 A17 Emergency Operation Working Committee Minutes: October 2016 Discussion: Prior to the meeting, Mr. Henderson asked that this item be added as a discussion item. Mr. Henderson reported that there is an issue in NY; they are reinstating monitoring at the landing door. Mr. O Donoghue has done some research on this as shown in Attachment 17. Discussion arose that this is not the right solution. Discussion arose whether they should be added as part of the door position monitoring task group. A motion was made, seconded and approved unanimously that this item should be sent to the A17 Electrical Committee for their input and whether they would like to create a joint task group between A17 Electrical Committee and the A17 Emergency Operations Committee. During the meeting, Mr. Henderson presented the item to the committee. NYC has reinstated monitoring at the landing door. The concern is that this was a result of safety concern that we should also be concerned with (they did it in 2008 IBC code and now require except in Phase 2 Emergency operations). The main question: Has NY raised a safety concern that we should be aware from? 36

37 A17 Electrical Committee Agenda May 16, 2017 As a result, the following A17 Electrical committee members have volunteered to be a part of the joint task group: Task group: Doug Henderson, John Carlson, Jeff Blain, Carl Burch, and Neal McCann. Discussion arose including whether there can be instances where the hoistway door doesn t close and not knowing when the fault occurs without this monitoring. May 2017 Discussion: During the March A17 EOC the following members have offered to join a joint task group: Debbie Prince and John Kleine. John Henderson who serves on both committees will be TGL. EOC suggests Electrical to be lead on this item FUTURE MEETINGS A17 Standards Committee, A17 Electrical Committee & Task Group meeting schedule is as follows: DATE LOCATION HOTEL A17 Standards Committee May 17, :30 AM -5:00 PM Phoenix, AZ Embassy Suites Phoenix Biltmore 2630 E. Camelback Rd Phoenix Arizona, A17 Electrical Task Group October 2, :30 AM -5:00 PM Toronto, Canada TBD A17 Electrical Committee October 3, :30 AM -5:00 PM Toronto, Canada TBD A17 Standards Committee October 4, :30 AM -5:00 PM Toronto, Canada TBD 12 ADJOURNMENT 37

38 Attachment 1a Page 1 of 5 L A17 Electrical Committee Date Printed: 4/21/2017 As of: 04/21/2017 Barry Blackaby Chair Manager World Wide Electrical Codes Otis Elevator Company 5 Farm Springs Farmington, CT Phone # 1(860) barry.blackaby@otis.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Thomas D. Barkand Member Electrical Engineer US Department of Labor Mine Safety & Health Admin Cochrans Mill Rd, PO Box Pittsburgh, PA Phone # 1(412) Fax # 1(412) barkand.thomas@dol.gov Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Page 1 of 5 Jeffrey W. Blain Vice Chair Product Manager Schindler Elevator Corp. PO Box 1935 Morristown, NJ Phone # 1(973) Fax # 1(973) jeff.blain@us.schindler.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Paul D. Barnhart Member Principal Engineer Underwriters Laboratories Inc. 12 Laboratory Drive Research Triangle Park, NC Phone # 1(919) Fax # 1(919) paul.d.barnhart@ul.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Jim Caldwell Vice Chair Senior Engineer, R&D Thyssenkrupp Elevator, Inc Crestwyn Hills Drive Memphis, TN Phone # 1(901) Fax # 1(901) jim.caldwell@thyssenkrupp.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2017 R. Carl Burch, PE Member Technical Support / Regional Sales Manager G.A.L. Manufacturing Corp Windwood Ln Nashville, TN Phone # 1(615) Fax # 1(615) carl.burch@gal.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Grace Bolan Staff Secretary S&C Engineer, Safety ASME MS: 6-2B 2 Park Ave New York, NY Phone # 1(212) Fax # 1(212) bolang@asme.org Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2049 Joseph D. Busse Member General Manager Engineering Fujitec America, Inc Innovation Way Mason, OH Phone # 1(513) Fax # 1(513) jdbusse@fujitecamerica.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021

39 Attachment 1a Page 2 of 5 L A17 Electrical Committee Date Printed: 4/21/2017 As of: 04/21/2017 Brandon C. Castillo Member Electrical Engineer KONE Inc 700 Central Expressway S. Suite 400 Allen, TX Phone # 1(469) Fax # 1(214) brandon.castillo@kone.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 John Doug Henderson Member Senior Engineer Thyssenkrupp Elevator Manufacturing Inc Crestwyn Hills Drive Memphis, TN Phone # 1(731) Fax # 1(731) doug.henderson@thyssenkrupp.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Page 2 of 5 Joseph L. Della Porta Member Consultant JL Dellaporta Consulting Services LLC 99 Eden Ave Southington, CT Phone # 1(860) Fax # 1(860) joseph.dellaporta@snet.net Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2017 Gerard N. Henry Member Elevator, Escalator and Subway Consultant 1900 Preston Rd, Ste Plano, TX Phone # 1(202) Fax # 1(202) g.henry@msn.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Joseph P. Donnelly, PE Member Vice President Donnelly & Assoc Inc E Juniper Ln Mount Prospect, IL Phone # 1(847) Fax # 1(847) JPDPE@comcast.net Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 John Kleine Member Principal Systems Engineer Otis Elevator Company 1500 Otis Way Florence, SC Phone # 1(843) John.Kleine@otis.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2017 Warren J. Hartung Member Chief Elevator Inspector State of Oregon Building Codes Division Elevator Safety Program PO Box Salem, OR Phone # 1(503) Fax # 1(503) warren.j.hartung@oregon.gov Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Patrick F. McDermott Member Electronic Engineering Technologist Technical Standards & Safety Authority 3300 Bloor Street West 14th Floor, Centre Tower Toronto ON M8X 2X4 Canada Phone # 1 (416) Fax # 1 (416) pmcdermott@tssa.org Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018

40 Attachment 1a Page 3 of 5 L A17 Electrical Committee Date Printed: 4/21/2017 As of: 04/21/2017 Marian Mihai, PE Member Electrical Engineer Technical Standards & Safety Authority 345 Carlingview Dr. Toronto ON M9W 6N9 Canada Phone # 1 (416) Fax # 1(416) mmihai@tssa.org Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Debra Prince Member Code Specialist Motion Control Engineering White Rock Road Rancho Cordova, CA Phone # 1(916) Fax # 1(916) debbie.prince@nidec-mce.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Page 3 of 5 Pekka Ojapalo, PE Member Technical Director Kone Inc Financial Drive, Unit 2 Mississauga ON L5N 7J6 Canada Phone # 1(905) Fax # 1(905) pekka.ojapalo@kone.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Cesar Ramirez Woo Member KONE Inc. 700 Central Expy S Ste 400 Allen, TX Phone # 1(469) cesar.ramirezwoo@kone.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Brandon Ortiz Member Engineer Smartrise Engineering Inc Rovana Cir Ste 3 Sacramento, CA Phone # 1(916) brandon@smartrise.us Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Vincent P. Robibero Member Chief Codes and Standards Officer Schindler Elevator Corp. PO Box 1935 Morristown, NJ Phone # 1(973) Fax # 1(973) vincent.robibero@us.schindler.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Andrei L. Peck Member Vice President VDA (Van Deusen & Associates) 145 W 30th St Fl 4 New York, NY Phone # 1(212) EXT217 Fax # 1(212) apeck@vdassoc.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 John R. Valone Member Elevator Contractor Mechanic 14EC Local W 11th Street Chicago Ridge, IL Phone # 1(708) Fax # 1(708) jhnv707@hotmail.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019

41 Attachment 1a Page 4 of 5 L A17 Electrical Committee Date Printed: 4/21/2017 As of: 04/21/2017 Steven P. Wood Member PO Box 446 Auburn, WA Phone # 1(509) Fax # 1(206) swoodp16@gmail.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Ricardo Elias, PE Contributing Member 208 Citrus Drive Kissimmee, FL Phone # 1(321) Fax # 1(321) relais@cfl.rr.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Page 4 of 5 Leo Yang Member Technical Advisor CSA Group 178 Rexdale Blvd Toronto ON M9W 1R3 Canada Phone # 1(416) Fax # 1(416) leo.yang@csagroup.org Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Martin L. Hite Contributing Member Certifications Manager 450 Century Pkwy Suite 300 Allen, TX Phone # (469) Fax # (214) martin.hite@kone.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Gilbert Zogbi Member CEO/Chief Eng Smartrise Engineering 8360 Rovana Cir Sacramento, CA Phone # (916) Fax # (916) gilbert@smartrise.us Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Yui C. Ho Contributing Member Fujitec Canada Inc. 137 Stather Crescent Markham ON L3S 2X7 Canada Phone # 1 (905) Fax # 1 (905) yuictho@gmail.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Sidney H. Benjamin, PE Contributing Member Principal Engineer 1 Cranbury Court Princeton, NJ Phone # 1(732) benjasid@aol.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2017 David Morris Contributing Member Senior Safety Engineer (Elevators) State of California DIR/DOSH Elevator Unit 2000 E McFadden Ave, Suite 210 Santa Ana, CA Phone # 1(714) Fax # 1(714) dmorris@dir.ca.gov Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021

42 Attachment 1a Page 5 of 5 L A17 Electrical Committee Date Printed: 4/21/2017 As of: 04/21/2017 Paul M. Puno Contributing Member Independent Consultant 128 S. Oakhurst Dr. #2 Beverly Hills, CA Phone # 1(415) paulp777@gmail.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Christopher Mason Alternate Lead Engineer Elec. + SW Devt. Schindler Elevator Corp Sussex Turnpike Randolph, NJ Phone # 1(973) Fax # 1(973) christopher.mason@us.schindler.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Alternate to: Jeffrey W. Blain Page 5 of 5 John Carlson Alternate Field Engineering Manager Schindler Elevator Corp. PO Box 1935 Morristown, NJ Phone # 1(973) Fax # 1(973) john.carlson@us.schindler.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2020 Alternate to: Vincent P. Robibero Neal J. McCann Alternate Business Representative Vice President IUEC Local Navajo Trail Homer Glen, IL Phone # 1(312) Fax # 1(708) nmccann@iuec2.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Alternate to: John R. Valone Paul C. Hoppie Alternate Principal Engineer, Electrical Otis Elevator Co Otis Way Florence, SC Phone # 1(843) paul.hoppie@otis.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2018 Alternate to: Barry Blackaby Brian J. Mierzejewski Alternate Sr. Electrical Engineer Otis Elevator Co Otis Way Florence, SC Phone # 1(843) Fax # 1(860) brian.mierzejewski@otis.com Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2017 Alternate to: John Kleine Swen D. Larson Alternate Elevator Constructor IUEC Local th Ave W Seattle, WA Phone # 1(206) Fax # 1(206) slarson@iuec19.org Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2021 Alternate to: Steven P. Wood Imed E. Rebhi Alternate Engineer, R&D Smartrise Engineering, Inc Fair Oaks Blvd Sacramento, CA Phone # 1(916) EXT371 imed@smartrise.us Com. Exp. Date - 06/30/2019 Alternate to: Gilbert Zogbi Total Number of Members: 40

43 Attachment 1b Page 1 of 1 Revised: A17 Electrical Committee Attendance History: 01/ PRESENT Member Name 01/17 09/16 05/16 01/16 10/15 05/15 01/15 09/14 05/14 01/14 09/13 05/13 Attendance Rate for Last 4 Meetings ( %) Thomas Barkand X X X X 75% Paul D. Barnhart X X X X X 100% Barry Blackaby, Chair A* R* 100% (Paul Hoppie) Jeffrey W. Blain, Vice Chair A* R* A* 100% (Christopher Mason) Carl Burch 100% Joseph D. Busse X X X X X 50% Jim Caldwell, Vice Chair X X 100% Brandon C. Castillo X A* 75% (Ceaser Ramirez Woo) Joseph L. Della Porta X X X X X X X X X 0% Joseph P. Donnelly, PE X 100% Warren J. Hartung X X X X X X X X X X X 0% Doug Henderson 100% Gerard N. Henry X 100% John Kleine X A* A* 100% (Brian Mierzejewski) Patrick F. McDermott X X X X X X X X X A* A* X 0% Marian Mihai, PE 100% Pekka Ojapalo 100% Brandon Ortiz X X X X X X X A* X X 0% Andrei L. Peck X X X X X X 75% Debra K. Prince X X X X 50% Vincent P. Robibero 100% (John C. Carlson) 100% John Valone A* A* A* X X % (Neal McCann) Ceasar Ramirez Woo X Steven P. Wood X A* 75% (Swen D. Larson) Leo Yang 100% Gilbert Zogbi X X X X R* % KEY: "BLANK SPACE" = Present X = Absent A* = Sent Alternate "-" = Not Member at Time of Meeting R* = Sent Representative "(NAME)" = Alternate

44 A17 REQUEST FOR INTERPRETATION ASSESMENT Attachment 2 Page 1 of 1 Request for Interpretation Submitted Inquiry can be answered with standard as written. The standard is clear and accurate. A revision to the standard is warranted. Issue a response to inquirer. The revision is technical. The revison is editorial. It is urgent to make this technical change e.g. serious safety issue. 1. Open a record to make the technical revision. 2. Issue a code case that includes an expiration date. The revision is not urgent. 1. Open a record to make the technical revision. 2. Answer the inquiry in accordance to how the standard is currently written and include a cover letter that references the above record number. Issue an intent interpretation to be balloted and issued simultaneously with a new Record for the necessary editorial revision. NOTE: This document is intended as a general guideline to assist in determining the appropriate action upon receipt of a request for interpretation. For specific procedures, please see the A17 Standards Committee Procedures and CSP-33 (Interpretations).

45 Attachment 3 Page 1 of 2 Inquiry Committee: A17 Electrical Subject: Requirement Edition: A /CSA B44-10 through A /CSA B44-13 Question(s): Does the immunity to single failure required in clause (a), ( "a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device" ) apply only to magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices used for position sensing? If the answer is "yes" I would propose the following revision to : Where magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices are used for position sensing, a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device shall not (a) render inoperative the position sensing devices of the emergency terminal speed-limiting device inoperative (b) permit the car to restart after a normal stop To clarify the requirement in (a) and its applicability to devices used for position sensing only Question 1: Do the requirements relating to single failure in clause (a), ( a single short circuit caused by a combination of grounds or by other conditions, or the failure of any single magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state device ) apply only to magnetically operated, optical, or solid-state devices used for position sensing? Proposed Response: Yes. Question 2: Does (a) prohibit the elevator from stopping when the first failure occurs (rather than to continue to run and proceed to a normal stop)? Proposed Response: No. Question 3: Does (b) require detection of the failure prior to each start from a non-terminal landing and to prevent restarting? Proposed Response: No. Question 4: Does (b) require detection of the failure and to prevent the car from restarting after a normal stop at a terminal landing? Proposed Response: Yes. Question 5: Does (b) apply in all modes of operation? Proposed Response: No. The requirements of (b) apply in modes of operation where the normal terminal stopping device is required to function (see also and ).

46 Attachment 3 Page 2 of 2 Question 6: Does (b) apply only when the elevator is on automatic operation? Proposed Response: No. See response to question 5. Question 7: Does (b) apply when the elevator is on any mode of operation and its normal speed in that mode of operation exceeds the buffer rated speed? Proposed Response: No. See response to question 5. May 2014: Mr. Blackaby presented this item to discussion with the committee. Mr. Caldwell suggested to have a task group set up for this item. The Task group is Caldwell (Chair), Hoppie, Castillo, Robibero, Prince, Blackaby and Mason. Mr. Mihai reported that he will update the scope of this inquiry. Furthermore, a full report will be given at the next A17 Electrical Committee meeting. September 2014: Prior to the meeting, the Task Group met and discussed this item. During their meeting, they drafted proposal responses to the inquirers questions. Please note that the inquirer has appended 6 additional questions to his original inquiry, thus there is now 7 questions being asked. Please see Attachment 3b for the Minutes from the Task Group meeting and their proposed responses. Mr. Blackaby reported that a TN should be open in parallel to this intent inquiry. A motion was made to open up a TN for this item. The motion was seconded and approved unanimously. Please note that an intent interpretation cannot be issued until the revision item is ASME approved (TN ). Please note that A17 Standards Committee approval does not mean that it is ASME approved. Please see item 8.14 for updates on TN January 2015: Please see Attachment 3b (May 2015 Minutes) for the minutes from the Task Group meeting their proposed responses. Please note that this attachment is the same as Attachment 3b from the September, 2014 Minutes. May January 2017: Please see item 8.4 for updates on Record May 2017 Discussion: The task group has submitted the proposed responses as shown above.

47 Attachment 4 Page 1 of 1 From: Prince, Debbie [KINETEK-MCE] To: Grace Bolan Cc: "john.carlson@us.schindler.com"; Blackaby, Barry Subject: RE: Inquiry Date: Tuesday, February 28, :57:24 AM Hi Grace, Yes, I would like to withdraw this Inquiry. Thank you! Best regards, Debbie Prince, Code Specialist Motion Control Engineering, Inc White Rock Road Rancho Cordova, CA Toll free: , ext Direct: From: Grace Bolan [mailto:bolang@asme.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, :54 AM To: Prince, Debbie [KINETEK-MCE] Cc: 'john.carlson@us.schindler.com'; Blackaby, Barry Subject: Inquiry Hello Debbie, Through a telephone call with John Carlson, I was informed that you wish to withdraw Inquiry If you wish to do so officially, please confirm in a response to this . Best Regards, Grace Bolan S&C Engineer, Safety Codes & Standards ASME 2 Park Avenue, 6th Floor New York, NY Tel bolang@asme.org

48 Attachment 5 Page 1 of 1 Inquiry Committee: A17 Electrical/A17 Hoistway Subject: Requirement Edition: A Question(s): Can the elevator continue in automatic operation when a bypass (jumper) is placed on a single standalone car door electric contact of a two car door system or a single standalone landing door interlock contact of a two landing door system where the door system is mechanically coupled in the landing zone and the landing doors are not related to each other? Proposed Response

49 A17 Electrical Committee Inquiry Attachment 6 Page 1 of 2 Inquiry Committee: A17 Electrical (Primary) A17 Mechanical Design (for review) Subject: Requirement Edition: A Note: Please be advised that the question has been modified to remove intent. If the Committee feels that this is an intent interpretation, as per original inquiry request, they may modify. In addition, Mechanical Design Committee is listed for review as well. Question(s): (1) Does require the same device that provides the stopping action to also detect the overspeed condition? Proposed response: September 2016 Discussion: Staff Update: The MDC Secretary has sent the following: The MDC had the following recommendations regarding inquiry to which Electrical is primary and Mechanical is secondary: MDC Recommendation to the Electrical Committee: It is recommended that a code case be established to clarify that in the opinion of the Committees, the word device has been used synonymously with the word means for the purpose of this requirement. The requirement should therefore be revised to read the means ( ) shall: a) Detect b) Decelerate Modify and by replacing the word device with the word means in the following locations: 1) (occurs twice) 2) (occurs 3 times) 3) (occurs once) January 2017 Discussion: The Mechanical Design Committee reviewed the inquiry at their September 2016 meeting. They provided the input found in Attachment 9. The committee is asked to review the Mechanical Design Committee s input and send their conclusions to the Mechanical Design Committee for concurrence. From the January 2017 A17 Mechanical Design Minutes: The MDC agrees with the Electrical Committee s response that it is not required to use one device. The MDC reaffirms that there is confusing language in this section of the code. See Attachment 5b for the MDC s suggestions.

50 A17 Electrical Committee Inquiry Attachment 6 Page 2 of 2 The MDC no longer believed it is appropriate to do a Code Case. It was moved, seconded, and approved to send the MDC s concurrence with their response to the Electrical Committee. It was moved, seconded, and approved to send the MDC s recommendation on the code language to the Electrical Committee. (Opposed Earl Baker) The Electrical committee reviewed Mechanical Design s suggestions and determined more time was needed to review their input.

51 Attachment 7 Page 1 of 1 From: To: Cc: Subject: Date: Importance: Hite Martin Barry Blackaby, A17 EC Chair Grace Bolan; Paul Gulletson; marc.mueller2@thyssenkrupp.com; Geraldine Burdeshaw B44.1/A17.5 Edition Enforcement Friday, April 21, :32:42 PM High Hello Barry, As you requested we have had further discussion at the 11 April meeting of the B44.1/A17.5 Committee, about the Request for Interpretation (Interpretations Record# ): Does ASME A17.5 have a condition where manufacturer is not required to comply with the 2014 Edition if no changes are made to the product?. After much debate at the B44.1/A17.5 Committee meeting the conclusions reached were: 1. The simple answer to that question is No. 2. Which edition of a standard a product must be certified for compliance with is determined by the Certification Agency doing the certification. 3. ASME A17.1/CSA B44 is the enforcing document for CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 and the Reference Documents section of A17.1 already lists CSA-B44.1/ASME A17.5 (latest edition). 4. This entire issue is outside of the scope of the CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 Committee. The committee simply writes the fire and shock hazard safety requirements, we do not write the enforcement requirements. Add to this the fact that the ASME A17.1/CSA B44 Standards Committee has already voted and approved the withdrawal of the Request for Interpretation based on a request from the original submittor of the Request for Interpretation, it is the consensus of the CSA B44.1/ASME A17.5 Committee that no further action is required on this matter. It appears to me that with the vote by the Standards Committee to withdraw Interpretations Record# (which is shown on C&S Connects as withdrawn) this issue need not be brought up again at the Standards Committee meeting, but I will let that be your call. Best Regards, Martin L. Hite ASME A17.5 Chairman KONE Elevators 450 Century Parkway Suite 300 Allen, TX Ph: martin.hite@kone.com

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