Minutes of the SBP-3 Working Group meeting, March 11, 2003 Dallas, TX
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1 DocNum: T10/03-135r0 Author: Lee Farrell Title: Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.03/03-135r0.pdf Minutes of the SBP-3 Working Group meeting, March 11, 2003 Dallas, TX Attendees: Lee Farrell Canon Peter Johansson Congruent Software Nathan Obr Microsoft Johansson presented the following agenda. In the minutes that follow, the start of discussion of items listed below is denoted by the index number listed within square brackets, such as [4.1]. Note that these references do not always appear in order, and may not signify the conclusion of discussion of a previous agenda item. 1. Introductions and procedures 1.1 T10 Membership and voting 1.2 Document naming conventions 1.3 Two-week rule 1.4 Meeting fees 1.5 Approval of prior minutes (03-070r0) 2. Call for patents 3. Informal liaison 3.1 IEEE P [Johansson] 3.2 IEEE P [Johansson] TA PTP [Anderson] 4. Prior action items 4.1 Request Apple comment on r0 [Anderson] 4.2 Provide text for isochronous clauses [Johansson] 4.3 Announce intent for T10 letter ballot [Johansson] 5. Review of changes in working draft 6. Review reflector traffic 7. Old business 7.1 Editorial review of draft (page turner) 8. New business 8.1 SBP-3 isochronous operations [Johansson] 8.2 Recommend SBP-3 Revision 3 letter ballot to T10 Plenary Page 1 of 8
2 9. Meeting schedule 10. Review of action items 10.1 Request T10 letter ballot on SBP-3 Revision 3 [Johansson] 11. Adjournment [1] Johansson called the meeting to order and updated the agenda, as reflected above. [1.3] Johansson briefly reviewed the two-week rule, explaining that it did not prevent the discussion of documents posted less than two weeks before a meeting. [1.1] [2] Johansson reviewed general T10 policies and procedures. In general, attendance and participation at T10 ad hoc meetings (such as this one) is open to both visitors and T10 members. When formal votes are taken, either in an ad hoc meeting or in the T10 plenary, one vote is permitted each organization, to be cast by its principal representative or designated alternative. A two-week rule is in effect: No matter may be voted on unless notice was given at least two weeks prior. Documents to be voted on must have been posted two weeks prior to the vote. The two-week rule can be waived if nobody objects. Announcements of new documents and meetings must be posted to the T10 reflector; all other business can be conducted on the working group reflector. The following paragraph about ANSI/T10 patent policy is copied from past T10 Plenary minutes: A document is available from ANSI, "Procedures for the Development and Coordination of American National Standards", at no charge. This document is also on the web at Section contains the ANSI patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI and can be contacted at amarasco@ansi.org or Gene Milligan prepared a useful Handy dandy Technical Committee's Patents Guide, which is available at ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.99/99-291r0.pdf. [1.5] The minutes from the January meeting in Wailea were not available. [3.1] Johansson reported that there has been no change in P status since the last SBP-3 meeting. [3.2] Johansson reported that there has been no change in P status since the last SBP-3 meeting. [3.3] In the absence of Eric Anderson, there was no liaison report on the 1394 Trade Association Picture Transport Protocol (PTP) over SBP project. Page 2 of 8
3 [4.1] In the absence of Eric Anderson, this action item was carried over to the next meeting. [4.2] Johansson reported that text for isochronous clauses had been provided in r0. [4.3] Johansson reported he had announced the working group's intent to proceed to T10 Letter Ballot. [5] Johansson led a review of changes in SBP-3 Revision 2d: ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/drafts/sbp3/sbp3r02d.pdf Farrell suggested that the phrase "so long as" might pose difficulty for non-native speakers. Johansson agreed to review the draft and make equivalent substitutions for the phrase. The paragraph below the unlabeled figure in is too complex. Johansson will reword to clarify and simplify. [6] Johansson led a brief review of SBP-3 reflector traffic since January 21. Bruce Fairman commented on the Configuration ROM entry for plug control registers. Although Johansson responded, there has been no reaction from Fairman. If more discussion is required, this topic will be addressed during the letter ballot period. Andy Green has asked for the working group members to be credited in the draft. This seems to be acceptable to the concerned authorities. [8.1] Johansson presented informative and normative text (03-090r0) for inclusion in the draft. The group agreed to incorporate the text with minor modification into the next draft of SBP-3. ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.03/03-090r1.pdf [7.1] The group performed a "page turner" review of the SBP-3 Revision 2d and made minor editorial clarifications, starting in section 11. [8.2] The working group requested the Editor to incorporate all changes agreed at the meeting into SBP-3 Revision 3 and to submit that document to John Lohmeyer for T10 Letter Ballot. [9] The next meeting is tentatively scheduled for May 6 7 in Nashua, NH with T10. Page 3 of 8
4 [10] Johansson briefly reviewed the newly assigned action items. [11] Meeting adjourned General information and document index The SBP-3 reflector can be accessed as follows: Subscribing: w/subject "subscribe sbp3" Help?: w/subject "help" An automated system had been created for the allocation of T10 document numbers, and the subsequent submission of documents for posting: The following documents have been posted pertaining to SBP-3: Eric Anderson Fast Start proposal (PowerPoint slides) ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.00/00-328r0.pdf Peter Johansson Minutes of SBP-3 Study Group September 19, 2000 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.00/00-371r0.pdf Peter Johansson SBP-3 Project Proposal ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.00/00-388r0.pdf Eric Anderson Fast Start Proposal ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-057r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group January 24-25, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-060r0.pdf Page 4 of 8
5 Lance Flake RBC Access For AV/C Data Interchange ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-067r0.pdf ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-067r1.pdf Steve Powers Surprise Removal of 1394 Storage Devices ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-069r0.pdf Peter Johansson Bridge-aware targets and node handles ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-070r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group March 6-7, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-101r0.pdf Scott Smyers Proposal for modifications to SBP3 and RBC ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-102r0.pdf Firooz Farhoomand Using SBP-3 for DVD playback ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-103r0.pdf Peter Johansson Stream command block ORB ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-137r0.pdf Peter Johansson Bi-directional ORBs (PowerPoint slides) ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-138r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group April 26-27, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-139r0.pdf Andy Green Proposal to modify isochronous recording format ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-179r0.pdf Page 5 of 8
6 Peter Johansson RBC-2 commands for extent management ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-180r1.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group June 5-6, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-187r0.pdf Peter Johansson Distributed Buffers ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-200r0.pdf Peter Johansson Simplified Isochronous ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-222r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group July 17-18, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-223r0.pdf Peter Johansson MP-friendly Fast-Start ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-248r1.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group August 22-23, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-265r0.pdf Peter Johansson Bare-bones Isochronous ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-287r1.pdf John Fuller SBP3 Changes ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-304r0.pdf Rob Elliott Elimination of SCSI-2 from SAM-2 SPC-3 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-318r0.pdf Peter Johansson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group October 3-4, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-330r0.pdf Page 6 of 8
7 Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group November 6-7, 2001 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-331r0.pdf Scott Smyers Isochronous SBP-3 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.01/01-332r0.pdf Peter Johansson Bridge-aware SBP-3 target operations ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-069r2.pdf Peter Johansson EUI-48 software interface ID VPD page ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-075r1.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group January 21-22, 2002 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-206r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group March 12-13, 2002 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-207r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group May 29-30, 2002 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-208r0.pdf Peter Johansson Prototype AVD Commands ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-281r1.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group July 16-17, 2002 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-282r0.pdf Eric Anderson Minutes of SBP-3 Working Group November 5-6, 2002 ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.02/02-480r0.pdf Peter Johansson Configuration ROM ipcr/opcr proposal ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.03/03-009r1.pdf Page 7 of 8
8 Peter Johansson SBP-3 isochronous operations ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/document.03/03-090r1.pdf Latest draft SBP-3 document: [end] ftp://ftp.t10.org/t10/drafts/sbp3/sbp3r02d.pdf Page 8 of 8
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