TECHNICAL COMMITTEE ON SINGLE BURNER BOILERS NFPA 85 First Draft Meeting Minutes February 10, 2017 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM MT Embassy Suites by Hilton Phoenix-Tempe, Tempe, AZ Attendees Committee Members: Peter Willse, Chair Ronald Adcock Denise Beach David Bohling Jeff Breidenbach* David Paul Cannon* Kevin Carlisle* John Connor Fedja Drndarevic John Eibl Joseph Fehr Richard Gallagher* Ted Jablkowski* Patrick Jennings* John Kane* Global Asset Protection Services, LLC, CT Marsh Risk Consulting, AZ FM Global, MA John Zinc Company LLC, CA Liberty Mutual Commercial Markets, Property, KY Hurst Technologies, TX Karl Dungs, Inc., MN Burns & McDonnell Engineering Company, MO Technical Standards and Safety Authority, Canada The Chemours Company Inc., TN Sega, Inc., KS Zurich Services Corporation, DE Fives North American Combustion, Inc., CT Hartford Steam Boiler, CT The DuPont Company, Inc., NC Page 1 of 10
Raymond Labore John Martens* UTC/Fireye Inc., NH Exponent, Inc., IL W. Scott Matz Schneider Electric/Invensys, TX Anthony Mayle Bruce Mickelson* Gary Persichini Peter Pinto William Andy Smith Franklin Switzer* Marc Wolff Donald Zissa Mark Urda* Brent Diley Enrique Jimenez Babcock & Wilcox, OH Honeywell International, Inc./Eclipse, MN Victory Energy Operations LLC, OK SCC, Inc., IL American International Group, Inc., GA S-afe, Inc., NY Federal Bureau of Prisons, Washington DC SIS-TECH, TX Synergy Systems Inc., IL Babcock & Wilcox, OH Burns & McDonnell, TX Guests: Nando Nunziante Carlos Santos Zeeco Schneider Electric Gary Shrider* *Participated by phone 1. Call to Order. Peter Willse, Chair, called the meeting to order at 8:00 AM and welcomed attendees to the meeting. 2. Introductions. Attendees introduced themselves and identified their affiliation. Page 2 of 10
3. Approval of Minutes. The minutes from November 16, 2016 were approved with one addition: The volunteers for interlock terminology task groups were asked to email NFPA staff. 4. Staff Updates. Laura Moreno provided an overview of the Fall 2018 revision cycle schedule and the NFPA process. (attached) 5. Task Group Reports. Chapter 5 Reorganization. John Eibl (chair), David Bohling, Scott Matz, Ted Jablkowski, and Kevin Carlisle. The task group reported that they submitted Public Input to reorganize sections 5.6 through 5.9 to make the layout and format consistent throughout the chapter. They also submitted several Public Inputs to the Fundamentals Technical Committee to move general requirements to Chapter 4 and to provide new and revised definitions for various fuels. These Public Inputs were resolved. The Fundamentals Technical Committee proposed a task group to review all chapters for common requirements between the completion of this revision cycle and the start of the next, and noted that new definitions for fuel types can be added at the Second Draft stage if the Single Burner Boiler adds requirements to Chapter 5 that necessitate the new definitions. 6. Review of Public Inputs: NFPA 85 Chapter 5. The Technical Committee reviewed Public Inputs and developed First Revisions and Committee Inputs as necessary. 7. Review of Fundamentals Technical Committee actions. The committee members reviewed several items that were flagged by the Fundamentals Technical Committee for their review, and created First Revisions as necessary. John Eibl was tasked with reviewing First Revision 155, which adds overpressure protection requirements to Chapter 4. The Technical Committee reviewed First Revision 108, which removes the exceptions to section 1.1.9.1. These requirements are essential for operation of these devices and they do not fit into Chapter 5 or Chapter 10. The exceptions need to be maintained, but could be rewritten so they are not in exception language if that is the intent of removing them. This should be brought to the attention of the Fundamentals Technical Committee and Correlating Committee. The committee members also reviewed Committee Input 135, which was based off of a Public Input to include additional fuels in the scope of Chapter 5. At this time, the committee does not have language to add the additional fuels to Chapter 5, but will form a task group at the Second Draft meeting to review additional fuels. It was noted that use of other fuels is covered by the equivalency clause in section 1.5. 8. New Business. No additional new business was discussed. Page 3 of 10
9. Next Meeting. The Technical Committee agreed to hold the Second Draft meeting on January 16, 2017. A decision will be made after the Public Comment closing date to determine if an in-person meeting is necessary, but the tentative in-person meeting will be hosted by the Zurich Services Corporation outside of Chicago, Illinois. 10. Adjournment. The meeting was adjourned at 2:00 PM. Page 4 of 10
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