1 CITY OF FLORISSANT 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 Planning and Zoning Commission Unofficial Planning & Zoning Minutes January 7, 2019 Table of Contents Page Number Roll Call/Minutes Page 2 Approval of Minutes Amendment to the Sign Code Page 8 Mod Pizza Page 3 3125 N Hwy 67 Florissant Valley Fire District Page 4 1910 Shackelford Quality Motors Page 5 2 Menke Pl Smoke & Sip Page 6 411 rue St. Francois Approval of meeting dates Page 9
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 2 43 44 CITY OF FLORISSANT 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 Planning and Zoning Commission Unofficial Planning & Zoning Minutes January 7, 2019 The Planning and Zoning Commission met in the Training Room at the city courts building, 4575 Washington, on Monday, January 7, 2019 at 7:00 p.m. with Chairman Steve Olds presiding. Roll Call On Roll Call the following members were present: John Martine, David Smith, Lee Baranowski, Allen Minks, Steve Olds, and Robert Nelke. Tim Lee was excused. Also present was Anita Moore, Deputy City Clerk and Phil Lum, Building Commissioner. A quorum being present the Planning and Zoning Commission was in session for the transaction of business. Approval of Minutes Vice Chairman Minks moved to approve the Meeting Minutes of December 3, 2018, seconded by Martine. Motion carried. Amended Agenda Vice Chairman Minks moved to amend the Agenda to place Item 1 as the last item, seconded by Martine. Motion carried.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 3 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 New Business Item 2 Mod Pizza PZ010719-2 3125 N Hwy 67 Ratification approved Ward 9 Request ratification of conditional approval for a minor change to B-5 Ordinance No. 8410 to allow for a change in the façade. Phil Lum, Building Commissioner, presented the staff report for this request. Mr. Lum stated that the petitioner requested a minor change to B-5 Ordinance No. 8410 to allow for façade changes, which include the addition of siding over an existing, non-masonry surface. Replacement drawings submitted are A2.0 and A2.1, dated March 23, 2018. The drawings submitted indicate fiber-cement siding over the previously approved EIFS surfaces under the MOD Pizza signage on 2 sign areas of the building. Mr. Minks recused himself from any participation in this request because he worked as the geotechnical engineer on this project. Mr. Zimmerman, construction manager, explained the EIFS will remain and the wood material will be placed over the EIFS. No moisture will be able to get behind the material onto the EIFS. The majority of the sign will remain EIFS, with the wood material going around the sign panel. Chairman Olds moved to ratify the conditional approval of the Building Commissioner for minor alterations to the development, Ordinance No. 8410, to allow for minor façade changes as shown on the drawings submitted and according to the proposal prepared by the applicant. These alterations depict minor changes in the development, which is not in conflict with the nature of the development and meets all of the conditions of the Ordinance No. 8410. Approval is subject to the regulations of the B-5 Planned Commercial Development and the following additional requirements: 1. GENERAL DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS. a. Unless, and except to the extent, otherwise specifically provided in Ordinance No. 8410, development shall be effected only in accordance with all ordinances of the City of Florissant. 2. PROJECT COMPLETION. The project shall commence within 60 days of issuance of permits and be completed in accordance of the approved changes to the final development plan within 180 days of start of construction.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 4 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 The motion was seconded by Martine. On Roll Call the Commission voted: Martine yes, Lee absent, Smith yes, Baranowski yes, Minks recused, Olds yes and Nelke yes. Motion carried. Item 3 Florissant Valley Fire Protection District PZ010719-3 1910 Shackelford Rd. Approved - Ward 1 Request review and approval to allow for an accessory structure next to the existing fire house in a B-4 Zoning District. Phil Lum, Building Commissioner, presented the staff report for this request. The existing property is in an R-4 zoning district and is currently occupied by the Fire House. Recently, the site was expanded and re-assigned to the City of Florissant by St. Louis County. The subject property contains 2 parcels, 1906 and 1910 Shackelford, which together are approximately 2.32 acres. In response to Mr. Mink s question, Mr. Lum stated that government or public buildings are considered a Permitted Use. Mr. Lum defined the proposed structure as an accessory structure to a fire house. Brennan Hartin, FGM and Cliff Robinson, Fire Marshal appeared before the Commission. The petitioners explained that, in an effort to be good neighbors, they will extend the privacy fence and reconcrete the asphalt. Mr. Robinson stated that the Fire District houses vehicles used only for parades, such as antique trucks as well as trailers and supplies. They are running out of room and need more storage. They will not work on any vehicles in the proposed structure and there will be no combustible items stored there. Mr. Hartin stated they will use a durable sandstone EIFS to match the color of the fire house on the front of the building and siding will be used on the remaining three sides of the building. In response to Mr. Nelke s question regarding storm water detention, Mr. Hartin stated that they are currently working on a water quality plan for MSD to review and approve. Chairman Olds moved to approve the improvements for 1910 Shackelford Rd. in the R-4, Single Family Dwelling District, subject to the plans and elevation submitted all dated 2019. PROJECT COMPLETION. Construction shall start within 60 days of the issuance of building permits and the structure shall be completed in accordance with the plans within 270 days of start of construction. The motion was seconded by Minks. On Roll Call the Commission voted: Martine yes, Lee absent, Smith yes, Baranowski yes, Minks yes, Olds yes and Nelke yes. Motion carried.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 5 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 Item 4 Quality Motors PZ010719-4 2 Menke Place Parcel A Recommend Approval - Ward 6 Request amendment to Special Use Ordinance No. 7775 to allow for removal of requirement to construct a parking lot in a B-3 Zoning District. Mr. Lum gave a brief overview of the history of the site. The existing property at 2 Menke Place, Parcel A has been vacant for approximately one year. The site is solely owned by the petitioner, Asher Rohra, who is also represented by his son, Alok Rohra, who operated this use. The site is partially paved from the previous operation of a batting cage. On 6/13/88 there was a Special Use Permit #4917 issued to Menke s Automotive for the operation of a car wash with office space. On 6/19/93 there was a Special Use Permit No. 5495 issued to Menke s Automotive to allow for the use of the property for batting cages. The Special Use Permit was transferred to Roger Rawson 5/22/00 by Ord. No. 6406 and subsequently transferred to Asher Rohra 4/14/01 by Ord. No. 6530. The Special Use permit includes the billboard along N. Highway 67, which the petitioner proposes only a face change permit. Special Use Permit Ord No. 6530 includes the owner s past intent to construct a parking lot to allow for more vehicle sales. Subsequently, operations ceased. The property was besieged by vandals who damaged the vehicles. Mr. Rohra has agreed to remove the damaged vehicles, but wishes to re-establish the business and obtain a city business license required to reinstate the State of MO dealer license. The petitioner is unable to obtain the city business license until he is in compliance with Ord. No. 7775, which requires him to construct a parking lot. Parcel B is 100% paved. The existing building on Parcel B contains a vacant space, part of which the petitioner proposes to use for an office. The City Engineer reviewed the plan and indicated that Parcel A may be developed without a land disturbance permit due to its small size; however, the owner proposes that the construction of the parking lot is not needed and infeasible until the business is re-established. Mr. Rohra explained that the carwash on N. Hwy 67 (Briteworx) has caused a drastic, significant drop in the number of customers using his and other merchant s carwashes. Also, since the lot sets back on the site, many cars have been vandalized. They have now installed LED lighting and cameras in an effort to improve the property. There is existing fencing. The petitioners have contacted the police department and, as a result, officers are now patrolling the lot more frequently. The fully functioning car wash will remain open.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 6 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 In an effort to make his business more profitable, Mr. Rohra and his son would like to open an internet car sales business at this location in an effort to save their business. A paved lot is not necessary. Most of their business will be delivering cars from auctions to the buyers. Very little retail sales will be done on site. The turnaround time for a vehicle is approximately 30 45 days. All cars are sale ready and no damaged vehicles are parked on site. If any repairs are needed, the petitioner uses a local repair shop to make repairs. Their office is located in the car wash building. Chairman Olds moved to recommend approval to amend Special Use Permit, Ordinance No. 7775, making the following changes to the ordinance: Title change: Change the title of the Ordinance No. 7775 to: An ordinance amending Special Use Permit No. 6530 granted to Asher Rohra to allow for Car Sales for the property located at #2 Menke Place. Section 1 Shall read as follows: Section 1: The Special Use Permit heretofore granted to Asher Rohra under Ordinance No. 6530 is hereby amended by allowing the sale of pre-owned autos for the property located at #2 Menke Place. Remove drawing A1, by Admo Ogun and Associates LLC, from Ordinance No. 7775. The motion was seconded by Nelke. On Roll Call the Commission voted: Martine yes, Lee absent, Smith yes, Baranowski yes, Minks yes, Olds yes and Nelke yes. Motion carried. Item 5 Smoke & Sip PZ010719-5 411 rue St. Francois Postponed to 1/22/2019 - Ward 6 Request amendment to Special Use Ordinance No. 8421 to allow for enclosure of a patio area and pergola with fabric structure in an HB Zoning District. Phil Lum, Building Commissioner, presented the staff report for this request. He stated that this is a request for review and approval to allow for a fabric enclosure to be constructed around an existing stand-alone pergola structure on the patio.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 7 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 The applicant first obtained a Special Use Permit as a Cocktail Lounge, and then obtained the current Special Use Permit to operate a Cigar Bar. The City adopted its own Clean Air Act, in lieu of County Chapter 605, which allows only Cigar Bars in the Historic District. Staff advised the fabric structure designer to document potential noise abatement afforded by the proposed structure. This would not be an easy task as it would require some acoustic study by an engineer familiar with such conditions. The City has also received several complaints of smoke odors and noise. Mr. Lum asked the petitioner for recorded copies of the shared parking agreements and added that he has not completed plan review on this request. Anthony Bolson, owner and Tom Schoeffel, Lawrence Fabric appeared before the Commission. Mr. Bolson stated that the anonymous complaints are from the same resident and her contacts. Mr. Bolson added that when they first proposed the patio, they had reached out to the surrounding residents and businesses in order to address any concerns they might have. In an effort to be proactive, they are proposing waterproof, side panels for the pergola which will not be permanent, but will take several hours to take down. A canopy will enclose the top. The panels will deflect/reduce the noise and smoke. Mr. Schoeffel explained that the side panels are ventilated with gaps at the top of the structure and clear windows. There is a framework that supports the panels. He has never been asked what the decibel level is for how far the noise permeates the fabric panels and he doesn t have that number. In response to Chairman Olds question, Mr. Bolson stated that he has not received any citations. Smoke Eaters will be used in the enclosed area. No live music is played on the patio. In response to Mr. Nelke s question, the petitioner stated that they would use electric outdoor heaters similar to what is used at many restaurants with outside seating. Mr. Smith commented that there used to be a Moonbeans Restaurant on St. Francois which occasionally had outside activities and he wasn t aware of any complaints or problems. Mr. Lum sited sections of the Noise Ordinance and noted it was broadly written. Mr. Martine stated that he thought it might be difficult to come up with a decibel level in this case because various voices and different group sizes on the patio will not be consistent. Chairman Olds moved to postpone the request for enclosure of a patio area to 1/22/2019 until the following requirements are submitted: 1. Petitioner to provide recorded cross parking agreements 2. Number of citations issued 3. Petitioner to submit pictures, color and additional information on the proposed panels The motion was seconded by Minks. Motion carried.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 8 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 Old Business Item 1 Amendment to the Sign Code PZ061818-2 Postponed to 2/4/2019 Requests recommend approval to amend the sign code including regulations for digital signs. Mike McGuire, Piros Signs, provided information and answered questions for the Commission regarding digital signage. Mr. McGuire stated that once the city s digital sign code is enacted, many of the cheaper looking signs around the city will begin to be reduced. There is a big difference in the price of a sign based upon its color, timing and ability to auto dim. He added many of the signs on Lindbergh do not dim at night. Chairman Olds informed Mr. McGuire that since the city has no regulations regarding digital signs, the Commission has always added stipulations regarding color, timing and auto-dimming to the motion for any special use permit requests for signs. Mr. McGuire stated that he thought timing should be every 3 to 5 seconds, whereas Mr. Baranowski stated that he thought the sign should change messaging every 10 seconds for safety concerns. Mr. McGuire was not in favor of the 10 second rule and added that there is no documented case of an accident caused by a digital sign. He felt the message should be 3 to 5 words and able to read quickly. Many digital signs are too wordy and cannot be read while driving. Considerable discussion was had. Mr. Lum encouraged the Commissioners to read the model ordinance that he had forwarded to them, specifically the section on digital signs. Cities are different and timing is based upon speed limit on the particular street where located. Mr. McGuire also stated that there is a wide disparity between cities regarding digital signage. Some cities do not allow any signage while other cities do not regulate them at all. Several Commissioners expressed their concerns about enforcement of the digital sign code once the ordinance is passed. Chairman Olds asked Mr. Lum to talk to the City Attorney regarding inserting into the ordinance a progressive fine structure when businesses do not comply. Chairman Olds moved to postpone the request for Amendments to the Sign Code until 2/4/2019, seconded by Martine. Motion carried.
P & Z Meeting 1/7/2019 Page 9 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 Miscellaneous Item 6 Approval of 2019 Planning & Zoning meeting schedule and City Council meeting attendance schedule. Chairman Olds moved to approve the 2019 Planning & Zoning meeting date schedule and the City Council meeting attendance schedule, seconded by Minks. Motion carried. Mr. Baronowski moved to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Olds. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:01 p.m. Anita Moore, Deputy City Clerk