CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ACTION MINUTES CALL TO ORDER TUESDAY, MAY 22, 2018 5:00 P.M. Chair Camacho called the Tolleson Planning & Zoning Commission Meeting to order at 5:00 P.M. ROLL CALL Chair Randy Camacho, Vice Chair Gámez and Commissioner Caroline Gem Paxton were present. Absent: Commissioners Evangeline Diaz and Diane Ruiz. Administration: City Engineer Paul Gilmore, City Attorney Justin Pierce and Deputy City Clerk Michelle Smythe. BUSINESS FROM THE FLOOR - PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ACTION 1. Public Hearing Soliciting comments from interested parties in reference to Final Plat Application #18040003 as submitted by Todd Tucker, Pinnacle Homes, for a proposed private gated community consisting of 71 single-family residences, to be located on the northeast corner of 91st Avenue and Jefferson Street in Tolleson, AZ. The proposed site (APN 101-12- 613) is approximately 12 acres and is currently zoned Planned Area Development (PAD). (The Encanta) Following the Public Hearing, Commission Action: Recommend/Reject Final Plat Application #18040003. Public Hearing opened at 5:02 P.M. and closed at 5:12 P.M. Motion made to recommend Final Plat Application #18040003 by Vice Chair Gámez for the reason that based on the merits of this request, it is a good asset for our community. Motion seconded by Commissioner Gem Paxton. Motion carried 3-0. ACTION ITEMS PROPOSED TO BE HEARD a. Approve Minutes: Regular Meeting Minutes of April 24, 2018.
Motion made to approve minutes by Vice Chair Gámez and seconded by Commissioner Gem Paxton. Motion carried 3-0. ADJOURNMENT Motion made to adjourn at 5:18 P.M. by Commissioner Gem Paxton and seconded by Vice Chair Gámez. Motion carried 3-0.
TO: FROM: Mayor & City Council City of Tolleson Planning & Zoning Commission City of Tolleson DATE: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 SUBJECT: Recommendation of Final Plat Application #18040003 On Tuesday, May 22, 2018, the Tolleson Planning & Zoning Commission met to discuss Final Plat Application #18040003 as submitted by Todd Tucker, Pinnacle Homes, for a proposed private gated community consisting of 71 single-family residences, to be located on the northeast corner of 91st Avenue and Jefferson Street in Tolleson, AZ. The proposed site (APN 101-12-613) is approximately 12 acres and is currently zoned Planned Area Development (PAD). (The Encanta) A public hearing was opened at 5:02 P.M. and closed at 5:14 P.M. Following the public hearing, Vice Chair Gámez made the motion to recommend Final Plat Application #18040003 for the reason that based on the merits of this request, it is a good asset for our community. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Gem Paxton. The motion carried 3-0. APPROVED: RANDY CAMACHO, CHAIR
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 1 of 7 TODD TUCKER: - staff here for a number of months now. Super excited about being a member of the community. Everybody that we've talked to thus far has been excited about seeing some residential units in this location. And, yeah, we are currently under construction with the improvements phase of the project, with the mass grading being complete, and we're doing water and sewer right now. We've actually submitted our product, our house plans to the City. And those have actually gone through review and been approved as well. At this point, we hope that we're actually doing some vertical construction within the next 60, 90 days. So I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. CHAIR CAMACHO: Okay. Any questions from the Commissioners? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Yeah. Yeah, I thought we were just going to put a stop to this whole thing. (Unintelligible). Thank you. I have (unintelligible). CHAIR CAMACHO: Questions? COMMISSIONER PAXTON: No. CHAIR CAMACHO: I do. Just when we're talking about residents here in Tolleson, how many more residents is this going to bring? Because we're looking for that magic threshold of 10,000 at least. CITY ENGINEER GILMORE: Well, I guess, it's hard to say. You have - it's three- or four-bedroom homes. It's five (unintelligible)? TODD TUCKER: They are three- and four-bedroom homes. There's 71, as you know. I'm not exactly sure how you quantify that in actual residents, whether that's - CITY ENGINEER GILMORE: Well, if you have an actual number of three - TODD TUCKER: Yeah. Four or five. CITY ENGINEER GILMORE: - it would be a little over 200, yeah - [Crosstalk] CHAIR CAMACHO: All right. We're getting there, right? TODD TUCKER: Our experience is - we built a very similar product to this a little bit west there in Avondale. And really great families that moved in there. And there was some that were just a couple of people, but most of them, there were four and five people. So, hopefully, it'll bring some good residents to the city. ccproductions.com Page 1 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 2 of 7 CHAIR CAMACHO: Absolutely. Any other questions from anyone? So if you start in 90 days, how long do you think it will take? TODD TUCKER: Well, we'll start with our models. And at the same token, I think we're going to do a couple - two or three models. And then we'll probably also start at that same time, a couple of two or three - what we refer to as spec homes. CHAIR CAMACHO: Okay. TODD TUCKER: We work to get our collateral done within 60 days of our models and kind of really launch our sales effort. But we had hoped to be a little further along than we were now, but with our industry as a whole being as busy as it is, each little step seems to always take a little bit longer than anticipated. So, I would say for sure models open in - call it five to six months, actual model complex where people can walk through. And we usually - CHAIR CAMACHO: And then there's the building of other homes. I - yeah, I get it. TODD TUCKER: Our current build time right now, once we have a home, and we know what we're going to build, and we pull a permit, it's about six months from the time we start until the time that we deliver. In a perfect world, in the production homebuilding business, you would hope to deliver maybe in four and a half months, but again, because of our busy industry right now and somewhat of some of the labor constraints, et cetera, it takes a little bit longer. But - CHAIR CAMACHO: What are the price ranges going to be? TODD TUCKER: It's going to be just starting in the very low $200s. So the base prices are going to be $250 and under. CHAIR CAMACHO: Okay. TODD TUCKER: Yeah. So we think it's - with mortgage rates being still good - obviously, they're rising a little bit right now, but historically, they're still relatively low. And for under $250, it's amazing. You can buy some pretty great stuff and have an affordable payment. CHAIR CAMACHO: So is - once the models go up, that's when you're ready to actually solicit to people? TODD TUCKER: Yeah. We may offer a little bit of a presale thing, but when we don't have a presence on site - we're not going to do a trailer or anything like that. And so when we don't have a real presence on site, where people can see what we're presenting, my experience always tells me, is we don't sell a lot at that time. There's some that are ccproductions.com Page 2 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 3 of 7 anxious to get literature and ready to maybe sign before, but for the most part, the real sales effort will open when the models open. CHAIR CAMACHO: Thank you. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: You mentioned labor constraints. Could you elaborate on that please? You said - TODD TUCKER: Yeah. Just as a whole here in the Valley, with the construction demands starting to increase right now, we don't have enough good workers in our industry. And so, whether it's concrete or framing or drywall or roofing or electricians, right now, the really good subcontractors are extremely busy. And so, we work our schedules out, but unfortunately, sometimes they're not there when they - as soon as you would like them to be because they just get backed up. But as a homebuilder - and we're very much like most all the homebuilders in the Phoenix metro area, is we're not really a construction company, per se. We're contractors. And so we use good bona fide, experienced, licensed, bonded subcontractors, and we're managers of the process. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: That makes sense. Thank you. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: I have a question. It says private street. Are you guys going to be maintaining that street? TODD TUCKER: We are. That was one of the stipulations early on, that we worked with the City. And, yeah, these are - in the end, there's a little HOA here. And there will be a small portion of that HOA that will reserve to the future maintenance of that street. CHAIR CAMACHO: So the street's going to be - sometimes in areas where this - there's - the homeowners own the home - the streets, they tend to be narrow. TODD TUCKER: No. CHAIR CAMACHO: Is this going to be pretty standard? TODD TUCKER: It's pretty much a standard street section. So, it won't feel much different in that regard. But it is, again, one of those areas where we talked about it. And the fact that we may want to gate it and things like that. Right now, what we've had on all our plans is optional gates. We've had so many people tell us, "Oh, don't do gates," and other people says, "Do gates." And so, we've set it up to actually do gates. But still, as of today, we haven't definitively decided if we'll actually put functioning gates there or not. But in the end, you'll see the site plan is laid out with the little bubble turnaround and in front, and the infrastructure that we're putting in place will accommodate gates. ccproductions.com Page 3 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 4 of 7 And when you do gates, at that point too, it even becomes obviously more private and then more upon the homeowners to take care of. But in this case, whether it's gated or not, this is a private street. CHAIR CAMACHO: Well, I hope you go gated, but that's your call. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Is that right? TODD TUCKER: Is that right? Your thought is gated? CHAIR CAMACHO: I love gated communities, yeah. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: So is mine. CHAIR CAMACHO: I mean, that's really caught my attention as soon as - COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Yeah. CHAIR CAMACHO: - I started reading. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Me, too. CHAIR CAMACHO: I was like, "Yes, yes." COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Mm-hm. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: I have a hard time with gated communities. As a constable, we get these eviction processors. And there's no code. CHAIR CAMACHO: Well, that's why we like that. That's why we like gates. TODD TUCKER: It's a little bit - CHAIR CAMACHO: I do think that there's more of an ownership element - TODD TUCKER: There is. CHAIR CAMACHO: - to it when it's gated. And I hope you consider that. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Yeah, so do I. CHAIR CAMACHO: But that's your call. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: It won't keep the feral cats out. ccproductions.com Page 4 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 5 of 7 TODD TUCKER: My experience - and I've done - VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: (Unintelligible). TODD TUCKER: - I've done projects and neighborhoods with both. And there's pros and cons to each. But for sure, when you live in a gated community, it certainly doesn't - it provides a little sense of security. It doesn't lock people out. But what it does do more than anything is it cuts down on traffic. That's what it does for sure. And so you don't have as many people driving by looking and things. And so, in that regard, I think that contributes to a little more of a private feel and ownership and pride, and a little safer potentially. CHAIR CAMACHO: Yeah. Yeah. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: I feel like going on record and saying we need to make 93 Avenue and 94th Avenue gated on Monroe, get all that density traffic in the morning out of there. I can't get out of the house. CITY ENGINEER GILMORE: (Unintelligible) a couple of weeks ago when school's out, right? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Yeah. But, anyway, thank you for sharing, Mr. Tucker. TODD TUCKER: You bet. Any more questions or thoughts? [Crosstalk] CHAIR CAMACHO: So - VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: That's cool. CHAIR CAMACHO: So following the public hearing, commission action. So we're recommending or rejecting the final plat application 18040003. Do I hear a motion to approve? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: I so move that we approve the merits of this request. It's a good asset and accent to our community. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: I second it. CHAIR CAMACHO: Okay. All in favor? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Aye. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Aye. ccproductions.com Page 5 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 6 of 7 CHAIR CAMACHO: Opposed? Okay. We all - I didn't give my aye, but yes from myself. And then approve minutes for regular meeting minutes of April 24th, 2018. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: I'll so move. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: I second. CHAIR CAMACHO: All in favor? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Aye. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Aye. CHAIR CAMACHO: Opposed? Thanks, Todd. Okay. So, do I hear a motion to adjourn? COMMISSIONER PAXTON: I motion to adjourn this meeting. VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: I second. CHAIR CAMACHO: All in favor? VICE CHAIR GAMEZ: Aye. COMMISSIONER PAXTON: Aye. CHAIR CAMACHO: Opposed? Approved. Adjourned. ccproductions.com Page 6 of 7
CITY OF TOLLESON PLANNING ZONING Page 7 of 7 APPROVED: c::;:;;:m CAMACHO,CTAIR ATTEST: MkHELLESMYTHE, DEPUTY CITY CLERK CERTIFICATION I HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE FOREGOING MINUTES ARE A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, TOLLESON, ARIZONA HELD ON MAY 22, 2018. I FURTHER CERTIFY THAT THE MEETING WAS DULY CALLED AND HELD AND THAT A QUORUM WAS PRESENT. cc productions.com Page 7of7