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1 1 1 SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA 2 COUNTY OF SAN FRANCISCO 3 HONORABLE RICHARD A. KRAMER, JUDGE PRESIDING 4 DEPARTMENT NO ooo--- 6 COORDINATION PROCEEDING ) SPECIAL TITLE [Rule 1550(b)] ) 7 ) ) 8 CREDIT/DEBIT CARD TYING CASES ) ) JCCP No ) ) 10 ) REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 15 Wednesday, September 23, Reported by: Janet S. Pond, CSR #5292 Official Reporter 28

2 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S O F C O U N S E L 2 Lead Counsel for Plaintiffs: 3 ZELLE, HOFMANN, VOELBEL, MASON & GETTE LLP 4 BY: CRAIG C. CORBITT, ESQ. JUDITH A. ZAHID, ESQ Montgomery Street, Suite 3400 San Francisco, CA For Plaintiff Amy Miller: 8 COOPER & KIRKHAM, P.C. BY: TRACY R. KIRKHAM, ESQ Tehama Street, Suite 2 San Francisco, CA For Defendant VISA U.S.A. Inc. and Visa International Service Association: 12 ARNOLD & PORTER LLP 13 BY: ROBERT J. VIZAS, ESQ. SHARON D. MAYO, ESQ Battery Street, Suite 2700 San Francisco, CA For Defendant Mastercard International Incorporated: 17 SHEPPARD, MULLIN, RICHTER & HAMPTON LLP BY: MICHAEL W. SCARBOROUGH, ESQ. 18 Four Embarcadero Center, 17th Floor San Francisco, CA For Plaintiff James Attridge (in Case No. CGC ) and Ex Parte Applicant: 21 LAW OFFICES OF LINGEL H. WINTERS 22 BY: LINGEL H. WINTERS, ESQ. Alcoa Building 23 One Maritime Plaza, Suite 400 San Francisco, CA GIRARDI & KEESE 25 BY: CELENE S. CHAN, ESQ Wilshire Boulevard 26 Los Angeles, CA o0o---

3 3 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 Wednesday, September 23, O0O--- 4 THE CLERK: Judicial Council Coordinated Proceeding 4335, 5 Credit/Debit Card Tying Cases. 6 THE COURT: All right. Welcome, everybody. 7 We have your appearances, and does the court reporter know 8 who everybody is? 9 THE REPORTER: If they can please state their name again 10 before they speak. 11 THE COURT: All right. Let's have everybody state their 12 appearances. 13 MR. WINTERS: Lingel H. Winters for the plaintiff Attridge 14 and the ex parte applicant here. 15 MS. CHAN: Good afternoon. Celene Chan on behalf plaintiff 16 James Attridge. 17 MR. CORBITT: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Craig Corbitt for 18 the plaintiffs in JCCP case. 19 MS. KIRKHAM: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Tracy Kirkham 20 also for the plaintiffs in JCCP. 21 MS. ZAHID: Good afternoon, Your Honor. Judith Zahid also 22 for the plaintiffs in the JCCP case. 23 MR. VIZAS: Bob Vizas for Visa, Your Honor. 24 MS. MAYO: Sharon Mayo also for Visa. 25 MR. SCARBOROUGH: Mike Scarborough for defendant Mastercard. 26 THE COURT: All right. This is an ex parte application 27 which starts with what is titled "Plaintiffs' Peremptory 28 Challenge Pursuant to Code of Civil Procedure Section "

4 4 1 Mr. Winters, you caused this to be filed, am I right? 2 MR. WINTERS: That's correct, Your Honor. 3 THE COURT: On whose behalf is this being filed? 4 MR. WINTERS: Mr. Attridge and his putative class. And the 5 reason that we're here is the papers they submitted to you 6 attempt to reach outside of this case and into our case and 7 release the claims in our case. 8 THE COURT: Okay. But before we get into why you're here, 9 we have to figure out whether I'm here. So let's start with 10 that. 11 All right, then. So your caption that says "Plaintiffs'" 12 plural apostrophe, plural, Peremptory Challenge is probably a 13 typo, am I right about that? 14 MR. WINTERS: Probably so -- well, it depends. Our view is 15 the putative plaintiff, Attridge as putative plaintiff is here 16 as well. 17 THE COURT: I see. Well, you use the term "putative." From 18 that I assume that in Mr. Attridge's case there is no class that 19 has been certified, am I right? 20 MR. WINTERS: That's correct. 21 THE COURT: All right. And is Mr. Attridge a party to the 22 JCC proceeding? 23 MR. WINTERS: No, he is not, Your Honor. 24 THE COURT: And what makes you think that a non-party to 25 these cases can challenge the Court under CCP Section 170.6? 26 MR. WINTERS: Well, the preamble, of course, is that we were 27 in here before four years ago, and we filed our challenge 28 at that time, and Your Honor granted it. Since that time, our

5 5 1 case has proceeded by special assignment and is currently signed 2 to Judge Feinstein. 3 The thing that brings us here is the attempt of the parties 4 in this action to reach out and ask you to do things with regard 5 to the Attridge action, which is a particularly significant 6 case. If you look at Visa's -- 7 THE COURT: Let me interrupt you again. The first thing we 8 have to figure out is whether I can be here. You're telling me 9 why you're here. I actually understand that, but I have to do 10 this step by step because if there is a legitimate challenge, I can hear nothing. I can only assign the cases. 12 You are appearing on behalf of a putative class 13 representative in a case that is not assigned to this Court and 14 is not within the JCC proceedings, and my question is simply 15 this: Do you have any authority that would allow you to file a 16 peremptory challenge under CCP Section on behalf of a 17 non-party in a case that is not in front of me? 18 MR. WINTERS: Yes. 19 THE COURT: And what authority is that? 20 MR. WINTERS: In Philip Morris vs. Superior Court, which was 21 cited by opposing counsel, 71 Cal.App.4th 116, the Court said: 22 "However, as discussed, Rule " 23 Which is the predecessor rule that governs coordinated 24 action challenges. 25 "-- Rule 1515, as promulgated by the 26 Judicial Council --" 27 THE COURT: Let me interrupt you. You have to speak real 28 slowly when you're reading because the court reporter has to get

6 6 1 this down. Thank you. 2 MR. WINTERS: (Reading) 3 "However, as discussed, Rule 1515, as promulgated 4 by the Judicial Council, contains no provision 5 precluding plaintiffs in a coordination proceeding 6 from exercising a Section peremptory challenge 7 against the coordination trial judge where one of 8 those plaintiffs has made a pre-coordination 9 peremptory challenge to a judge in such plaintiff's 10 independent action that has later become a 11 coordinated action." 12 Now of course we have not become a coordinated action. 13 THE COURT: And therefore you're not plaintiffs in a 14 coordinated action, and therefore what you read to me doesn't 15 seem to apply. Do you have any other authority? 16 MR. WINTERS: Well, what this does apply to is to say that 17 you can't preclude somebody from asserting the challenge they 18 made in a separate independent action. That's my argument. 19 THE COURT: Well, if that's your argument, it doesn't apply 20 because you're not a party to this action. Do you have any 21 other authority? 22 MR. WINTERS: Well, Your Honor, I would ask leave to brief 23 that particular issue. 24 THE COURT: The next question is do you think if there were 25 a right to a challenge that it would be timely? The rule is 26 when there's a single assignment of a case or cases, that you 27 have to file the challenge within 20 days, and it is clear to me 28 that you knew of the coordinated proceedings, am I right about

7 7 1 that? 2 MR. WINTERS: I can't answer when I became aware of it, but 3 the point is the CRC rule says "after service," and we've never 4 been served. The only thing we've been served with are the 5 current papers, and we're well within the 20-day rule and more 6 within the five and ten-day rule. We filed a second challenge 7 this morning. 8 THE COURT: I saw it. 9 MR. WINTERS: So we're well within the five, ten-day rule 10 issue. We would also be within the 20-day rule if one were to 11 deem that the papers that were served on us on 12 September 15th qualify as service. 13 THE COURT: I asked you a question a couple minutes ago, 14 were you aware of the existence of the JCC coordinated 15 proceeding, and your answer to me was, "I don't recall when I 16 became aware of it." That didn't answer my question. 17 You knew that this JCC case has been proceeding for years, 18 didn't you? 19 MR. WINTERS: I had a general understanding and it's totally 20 different from our case. We don't have a tying case. We have a (e) case. 22 THE COURT: That's all fine. I just wanted to see if you 23 knew of the coordination proceeding. 24 MR. WINTERS: The answer is yes. 25 THE COURT: And you knew about it years ago, right? 26 MR. WINTERS: I don't know when I first became aware of it. 27 THE COURT: Was it more than a year ago? 28 MR. WINTERS: Probably.

8 8 1 THE COURT: All right. I don't think you're a party to this 2 proceeding. I don't believe a non-party can challenge the judge 3 under as a matter of law. It is also my belief that when 4 a case has been proceeding for five plus years and a Court has 5 spent a lot of time working on the case, spending a lot of 6 judicial resources, the parties have spent a lot of their own 7 money litigating in front of me, that it would be highly 8 inappropriate for me to accept a peremptory challenge under the 9 circumstances of this case and have to assign this case to 10 another judge, especially where, as you have candidly admitted, 11 you've known about this case for a long time. 12 I just don't think that your challenge is justified by 13 law, and it is denied. 14 Next. My understanding is the second problem you have with 15 these proceedings is that you think there wasn't enough notice 16 given for the hearing on the motion for preliminary approval of 17 the class action settlement. Am I right about that? 18 MR. WINTERS: That's correct. 19 THE COURT: It's also my understanding that the parties are 20 willing to continue the hearing so as to give more notice? 21 MR. VIZAS: Yes, Your Honor, that's right. 22 THE COURT: That's fine with me. It's your motion. You can 23 continue it to a later date if you want. Shall we pick a date 24 now? 25 MR. CORBITT: Yes, Your Honor. Craig Corbitt for the 26 plaintiffs. We actually had discussed two dates, or Ms. Zahid, 27 my partner, did with Your Honor's clerk. One was October the 28 13th, and the other was October the 26th, and I don't know about

9 9 1 the defendants' schedule, but either of those dates is fine with 2 us. 3 THE COURT: On the 13th -- oh, it's already entered on the 4 calendar. The 13th is fine. 5 MR. WINTERS: Your Honor, we would request the 26th so we 6 have a little bit more time to address this. 7 THE COURT: Okay. Well, the next question I have before I 8 set the date is, Mr. Winters, what is it you want more time to 9 do? 10 MR. WINTERS: To file -- well, they're taking the position, 11 I guess, that we are members of their class. We would like to 12 be able to file an opposition to that contention. Their papers 13 undertake to release our claims which are completely unrelated 14 to their claim. 15 THE COURT: Yes, but until a class is certified, if one is, 16 then you're not a party, am I right? 17 MR. WINTERS: Oh, I think my client is a part -- they're 18 contending my client is a part of their large class. 19 THE COURT: I used to come home and I used to say, my God, 20 we got sued for $20 million today. My family would go, "What?" 21 The "we" was always me and Citibank or me and Bank of America, 22 or something like that. I meant your client, not you. Well, 23 you may be a member as well, I don't know, but your client. 24 So you intend to make appearance at the motion for 25 preliminary approval to object to it; is that right? 26 MR. WINTERS: Yes, Your Honor. 27 THE COURT: As a party? 28 MR. WINTERS: As an absent class member.

10 10 1 THE COURT: Well, by the time that hearing gets called, 2 there will be no class. There might be a class preliminarily 3 certified, but it's not until the final approval hearing that a 4 class will be certified, if the settlement is approved. So in 5 order to file the paper between now and the hearing, you don't 6 have standing, you're not a party, or do you think you are? 7 MR. WINTERS: I think the moving party has included us 8 within the ambit of their claim. Otherwise they wouldn't be 9 purporting to give a release to Visa and Mastercard as to our 10 case. We're specifically mentioned in their release that has 11 been submitted to the Court. 12 THE COURT: I haven't seen that yet, but you said that in 13 the papers. But the question isn't why you're coming. The 14 question is whether you have standing, until there has been a 15 class conditionally or preliminarily certified, to raise 16 anything. Do you think you do? 17 MR. WINTERS: I think I do because there's an attempt on the 18 part of the parties to release our claims. That's an injury to 19 us. We're injured parties, so I think we do have standing. 20 THE COURT: At the preliminary approval stage. 21 MR. WINTERS: Yes, Your Honor. 22 THE COURT: And do you think you are a party when you make 23 such an objection? 24 MR. WINTERS: I don't know the answer to that question. I 25 think I have standing to make -- to file the papers. 26 THE COURT: Do any of the parties here wish to say anything 27 about whether or not Mr. Attridge should be allowed to make an 28 appearance and object to the preliminary approval motion?

11 11 1 MR. CORBITT: Your Honor, speaking for the plaintiffs, I 2 don't think that he has standing to do so. However, I think 3 it's within Your Honor's discretion if you want to receive 4 Mr. Winters' comments and consider them. That's entirely up to 5 the Court. 6 MR. VIZAS: Your Honor, insofar as we've looked at this, we 7 don't think they have standing either. They have standing at 8 the time of final approval, like any objector. I guess I would 9 echo Mr. Corbitt that if the Court wants to allow them to 10 appear, I guess you can, but I don't think they have standing at 11 this stage. 12 THE COURT: What I usually do is not take objections from 13 anybody at the preliminary approval stage, but I can only think 14 of about two or three or four where that's even come up. 15 Normally the objections to the settlement come from class 16 members who have not opted out by the time of the final approval 17 hearing, and then I take objections and they're allowed to 18 object in part because they are class members that would be 19 affected. That's my usual practice. 20 Nonetheless, Mr. Winters, I would be interested in what you 21 have to say because if what you have to say is going to impact 22 whether I give preliminary approval or whether I disapprove it 23 but make suggestions on technical stuff, or what to you is not 24 technical stuff but is significant stuff, then I could certainly 25 save a lot of time and money by sorting that out at the 26 preliminary approval stage rather than the final approval stage, 27 and I think that would be a prudent thing to do. 28 What I'm not willing to do, however, is consider your client

12 12 1 to be a party for the purpose of being a friend of the Court at 2 the time of the preliminary approval hearing because I don't 3 want to then get into an argument about whether your client has 4 standing to make a new challenge. 5 So what I am willing to do is to allow you to file an amicus 6 type of filing, and I am justified and authorized to do that, I 7 believe, by a case called the Marriage Cases in which the 8 Supreme Court recognized that amici can appear at the trial 9 court. It might have been the first time, by the way, that the 10 Supreme Court ever so held. That's the first time, to my 11 knowledge. 12 Are you willing to do that, sir? 13 MR. WINTERS: Yes, sir. 14 THE COURT: So you on behalf of your client agree that by 15 filing the amici brief you are not asserting the status of a 16 party for the purposes of a motion at the preliminary 17 approval stage? 18 MR. WINTERS: I think we've made our 170.6, Your Honor, two 19 of them. I'm willing to file under any terms the Court permits. 20 THE COURT: Okay, but I need something specific from you. 21 You got your challenges, two of them, filed already. I've 22 denied them. If I'm wrong, you can go to the Court of Appeal 23 and I will learn something as a result. 24 What I don't want to do is have yet another one upon the 25 argument that by allowing you to be a friend of the Court that 26 you are tantamount to a party for the purpose of challenges. So whatever rights you have as of this moment 28 regarding your challenges, I don't want to take that away from

13 13 1 you. You have at that as you see fit. 2 But for the purpose of appearing at the preliminary approval 3 hearing, I would call you an amici, "amicus," friend of the 4 Court, you can be my friend, I will be yours. But the condition 5 of my accepting that amicus brief is that -- and your appearance 6 at the hearing, you can argue, is that you are consenting to my 7 participating -- no, let's put it differently -- you are not 8 claiming to be a party for the purposes of a challenge or 9 upon any other basis under by my allowing you to do this. 10 MR. WINTERS: So agreed. 11 THE COURT: Good. All right. So welcome. So now I'll pick 12 a date when you can be here. You can file a brief and I'll 13 allow you to argue. 14 Does any of the parties here object to what I just did? 15 Don't -- just why don't you agree to what I did. Plaintiffs? 16 MR. CORBITT: No, Your Honor, as long as that date when 17 Mr. Winters can be here is in the reasonably near future. 18 MR. VIZAS: No objection, Your Honor. 19 MR. SCARBOROUGH: No objection. 20 THE COURT: All right. Let's go off the record. 21 (Off-the-record discussion.) 22 THE COURT: Back on the record. I'm going to continue the 23 hearing on the motion for preliminary approval of class action 24 settlement presently set for MR. CORBITT: September 28th. 26 THE COURT: September 28, 2009, until Monday, October 26th, , at 9:30 in the morning. Does that work? 28 MR. VIZAS: That's fine. I was just going to ask about, if

14 14 1 he's going to file something, can we set a date and a date for 2 us to respond to whatever it is? 3 THE COURT: When can you get something on file? 4 MR. WINTERS: I don't actually know -- what we normally -- 5 well, if we're saying the 26th, we would prefer something like 6 10 days before that. 7 MR. VIZAS: Well, Your Honor, we obviously are going to want 8 to look at it and respond to it. If he filed it on the 7th of 9 October, that would give him two weeks, and we file like on the 10 20th, that would be a little less than two weeks, and then that 11 would give you a week with papers. 12 THE COURT: How is that? 13 MR. WINTERS: Could we push the hearing date out maybe ten 14 days or so in order to give them more time? 15 THE COURT: I have a trial that starts after that. Let me 16 see if I have any time. 17 MR. CORBITT: Your Honor, we also have a problem in pushing 18 it too far not only because we want to get this done, but we're 19 working with the notice administrator on lining up publication 20 dates for our proposed plan in magazines and so forth, and it 21 really is disruptive. We told him it might extend as far as 22 October 26th and he can live with that, but beyond that, we 23 really are getting into a problem with the schedule. 24 THE COURT: Well, at the moment my schedule is full until 25 the Thanksgiving break because I have two court trials that 26 follow one after the other. I also had a huge trial, one where 27 they're going to be breathing down your necks on the motions in 28 limine that got continued, and that played havoc with my

15 15 1 schedule so I can't do that. 2 It seems to me that you pretty much know what's wrong with 3 the settlement, the proposed settlement, and it doesn't seem to 4 me like there's much legal briefing here. Can you get papers in 5 by the 7th of October? 6 MR. WINTERS: If we have no choice, the 7th will have to do. 7 I would prefer something like maybe the 12th. 8 THE COURT: Well, isn't the problem, as I've gleaned it -- I 9 haven't looked at the preliminary approval papers yet -- that 10 you say that the release specifically causes your client to 11 release something? 12 MR. WINTERS: What's going on here is Visa has made a deal 13 with the Credit/Debit Tying people to do a big fancy release 14 that releases our case. I've never even heard of anybody THE COURT: It has no opt-out provision for the class? 16 MR. WINTERS: Our case is specifically released. The claims 17 in our case are specifically released by paragraph 14 of the 18 release. 19 THE COURT: By name? 20 MR. WINTERS: Yes, the Attridge case. 21 THE COURT: Is that right? 22 MR. VIZAS: Yes. 23 MR. CORBITT: That's right, Your Honor, and the reason is 24 because there is authority that in California and in federal 25 courts that if you are going to specifically -- that if you're 26 going to release another pending case in the scope of your 27 settlement, that the class should be fully apprised of that and 28 the case should be named, and so in the exercise of complete

16 16 1 caution, we decided to do that in this case. 2 The reason why the Attridge claim is being released is the 3 facts that are asserted in that complaint are subsumed within 4 the facts that we've asserted in the consolidated complaint 5 that's already on file, and it is a standard release of all 6 claims that have been or reasonably could have been asserted in 7 the case, just like you would find in any case. There's nothing 8 at all unusual or improper. 9 MR. VIZAS: Your Honor, I would also, just so you're clear, 10 this is not a surprise to Mr. Winters or something that he just 11 learned of. We've been discussing these issues for at least a 12 year. It's, you know, he's -- I don't want to get into 13 characterizing anybody's positions, but it's not as if this was 14 a new subject of discussion here. This is a -- this has been 15 well vetted. 16 THE COURT: I got the point. He doesn't seem surprised. 17 MR. VIZAS: No, he is not surprised. 18 THE COURT: He seems opposed. 19 And if Mr. Attridge -- are you purporting to release the 20 claims of Mr. Attridge, the individual, whether or not he opts 21 out of the class that you want me to certify? 22 MR. CORBITT: No, Your Honor. We're purporting to release 23 the class claims and Mr. Attridge is free to THE COURT: All right. I think the cases you are referring 25 to is cases that say when there are competing class actions in 26 existence, and one of them proceeds to a preliminary approval, 27 it is appropriate to apprise the class members in the settlement 28 class that has just been certified preliminarily of the

17 17 1 existence of another lawsuit, and advising them that if they 2 don't opt out of this case then they would lose their rights in 3 the other case and perhaps telling them what to do about that 4 situation. 5 Is that the line of authorities that you're talking about? 6 MR. CORBITT: Yes, I think that's the rationale, Your Honor, 7 and, again, out of what I would characterize as an abundance of 8 caution, we drafted the notice and the release to specifically 9 name Mr. Attridge's case for that reason. 10 THE COURT: Okay, but the case is not dismissed by virtue of 11 the settlement of the JCC cases, am I right about that? 12 MR. CORBITT: That's correct. 13 THE COURT: It's just that claims that class members in the 14 JCC cases may have in Mr. Attridge's case might be affected by 15 the settlement. 16 MR. CORBITT: Yes. Well, Mr. Attridge's claims and his case 17 will not be released assuming he opts out. 18 THE COURT: All right. Well, if that's what's going on 19 here, then it doesn't seem to me that you're going to need much 20 more time than the 7th, if even that much time, to just tell me 21 here's what you think is wrong with the release and the language 22 advising the JCC action class members. I don't see there being 23 much legal briefing on that at all. Am I right about that? 24 MR. WINTERS: I have to say I think this is going to require 25 some pretty heavy research. 26 THE COURT: I'll give you until the 7th to file something. 27 And if you need more research, file it later. But at least lay 28 out by the 7th what you think your objections are. I am not

18 18 1 saying that I will consider anything that's filed after the 2 hearing, but if you want to file some more stuff in advance of 3 the hearing, you go ahead and do that. And I'll figure out what 4 to do about it at the time of the hearing. 5 I order all parties in this room, and Mr. Winters, I am not 6 ordering you to do anything because you and your client aren't 7 really part of this case. But I order you, if Mr. Winters is 8 willing to do so, that you sit down and discuss the language of 9 the advice that you're giving to the JCC cases class members and 10 see if you can work out something that satisfies him. If he 11 doesn't want to sit down with you, that's fine. If you don't 12 want to change it, that's fine, but at least talk to him, at 13 least so there's an opportunity to talk with him. 14 I've done this many times before so I am familiar with the 15 issue, if indeed the issue is what's been described for me here. 16 And then of course one of the things I had in mind when I 17 put the limitation on the briefing is that if I give preliminary 18 approval and if you represent a class member, I guess you get to 19 show up at the final approval hearing, if there is one, and tell 20 me what you want to tell me at that time as well. 21 But I'm allowing this now because if it's possible to change 22 something that would either satisfy Mr. Winters or would in my 23 mind assist in resolving the dispute, I'd like to at least think 24 about that at the time of preliminary hearing before we send out 25 notices of settlement, if indeed I give preliminary approval. 26 Is everybody about as happy as you get about these things? 27 Anybody have anything else? 28 MR. SCARBOROUGH: The only thing open, Your Honor, would be

19 19 1 a date for defendants' reply in advance of the hearing. 2 MR. CORBITT: And plaintiffs. 3 MR. SCARBOROUGH: Oh, and plaintiffs, yes. 4 MR. CORBITT: Mr. Scarborough is not used to looking out for 5 the plaintiffs. 6 THE COURT: Well, get it to me by the 20th. There may be 7 stuff we're going to have to talk about at the hearing. To my 8 way of thinking, this is an issue that I'm not just familiar 9 with but I've taught before to lawyers and judges, so I may be a 10 quick study or, Mr. Winters, I may be a very slow study, 11 depending on what you think the real issue here is. But, 12 Mr. Winters, get something in by October 7th. If you think you 13 want to add something to it, add it anytime you want up until 14 the 16th. How is that? 15 MR. WINTERS: That's good. Thank you, Your Honor. 16 THE COURT: And the plaintiffs and defendants here, the 17 settling parties, get your response to what he filed on the 18 7th in by the 20th, and get me whatever you can before the 19 hearing, at the hearing, anything to supplement that. 20 As I said, I think it's going to sort out in the stuff I 21 recognize. And if it doesn't, I can always delay things a 22 little bit. All right. 23 MR. VIZAS: Thank you, Your Honor. 24 MR. WINTERS: Thank you, Your Honor. 25 THE COURT: Nice to see you. Take care. 26 (Whereupon, proceedings adjourned at 4:09 p.m.) o0o--- 28

20 20 1 State of California ) ) 2 County of San Francisco ) 3 4 REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE 5 6 I, Janet S. Pond, CSR No. 5292, Official Court Reporter for 7 the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco, do 8 hereby certify: 9 That I was present at the time of the above proceedings; 10 That I took down in machine shorthand notes all proceedings 11 had and testimony given; 12 That I thereafter transcribed said shorthand notes with the 13 aid of a computer; 14 That the above and foregoing is a full, true, and correct 15 transcription of said shorthand notes, and a full, true and 16 correct transcript of all proceedings had and testimony taken; 17 That I am not a party to the action or related to a party 18 or counsel; 19 That I have no financial or other interest in the outcome 20 of the action Dated: October 1, Janet S. Pond, CSR No

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